Post-Game Talk: ITS OVER- Did we make a huge mistake on Pierre-Luc Dubois Thread?
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I started it and after a few minutes, I was wondering if I couldn’t waste my time differently.
BehindTheTimes
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Yes they did and still do. This belief is why some say to wait until July 2024 to sign him.
MXD
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The rationale for this is "not giving assets for a player you can have for free, and too bad of he signs elsewhere". Not "PLD only wants to play here".
At least I think so.
PLD should be photoshopped on my avatar.
Barilko
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Mother Earth is pregnant for the third time
For y'all have knocked her up
I have tasted the maggots in the mind of the universe
I was not offended
For I knew I had to rise above it all
Or drown in my own shit
Come on Maggot Brain
Go on Maggot Brain
and here i was thinking im the only one around here listening to that stuff...
i dint dare post it on the music link
i dint want to scare any youngins
For y'all have knocked her up
I have tasted the maggots in the mind of the universe
I was not offended
For I knew I had to rise above it all
Or drown in my own shit
Come on Maggot Brain
Go on Maggot Brain
and here i was thinking im the only one around here listening to that stuff...
i dint dare post it on the music link
i dint want to scare any youngins
pepperMonkey
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DailyKaizen
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“I have tasted the maggots in the mind of the universe”
assumes a few things or is a metaphor for sure
dinodebino
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He was the winner because he was the best player each and every game.
Carey Price was not treated like a prince. I don’t know why you write that. Carey started his career as a rowdy guy from the West discovering what a big city was. It cost him a couple of years in his development. When he gained maturity, we saw the real Carey with the media AND his teammates: solemn, quiet, shy and close to his origins.
Each and everyone of his performances were dissected by all pundits and fans. Amongst Joe Fan, he was as polarizing (by those who never forgave Habs trading Halak - imagine that) as any other player in recent history. Every social media post about him had fans split in the middle. HOF goalies in Mtl have always been polarizing in the fans’ mind: Dryden had multiple Cups and Vezinas, yet was doubted by MANY who thought you could put a drunken Bunny Larocque in nets and Habs would win as much; Patrick Roy won Cups, Vezinas and Conn Smythes, yet MANY fans and pundits (many here) think he got too big for the team.
See a pattern? Since Georges Vézina, this franchise has always been able to develop and carry HOFers between the pipes. Legends, litterally. So your reaction and those of many is not surprising.
Sam has it easy right now because the team sucks. Once the team is built, the goalie in Mtl will have pressure by the wazoo. And some will find him cuddled. As you do with Price.
I, myself, consider that it has been a priviledge to have seen great pioneers in nets with our team like 29, 33 and 31. We were NOT lucky with our forwards over the last 30 years. But man, we have been blessed by HOFers between the pipes. Blessed.
Plus ça change, plus c’est pareil.
FerrisRox
"Wanna go, Prettyboy?"
Conversely, this belief is also why some say trade our 1st round pick and a solid prospect to get him now as if it's a no brainer that the will then forgo free agency and instead sign a reasonable long-term pact with the Canadiens this summer.
I think you mis-read the suggestion. It is to make a trade ON CONDITION he signs an acceptable extension. If and only if. This is done all the time.
If you will recall, the Pacioretty trade to LA aborted because he would not sign an extension to LA's liking. He was then moved to Vegas who announced his extension immediately.
We have been eligible to do this trade-and-sign since January 1st actually. Prior to that, once Dubois accepted the one-year Qualifying Offer, we could not trade for him and sign the extension at the same time.
FerrisRox
"Wanna go, Prettyboy?"
No, I completely understood the suggestion.
I was just pointing out that when the Canadiens trade for him, it's because he's so eager to be a Canadien he will sign an extension and forgo free agency.
Strangely though, you cannot wait to sign him as a free agent because some other team might swoop in and offer him more.
Which begs the question: why does he forgo free agency and sign with Montreal if a trade is made? If the answer is because he really wants to play here, then how come he won't come and sign here as a free agent?
It's odd how some people here want it to be both ways.
Pat Riot
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The Price era feel nothing like a blessing to me , quite the contrary to be honest. I feel Dryden and Roy performance in a time were goalies didnt have the proper technic and there was a big difference between skills set make us the montreal fan base obssess with our goaltender. Which I believes nowadays its a very overated position because all goaltenders are similar. A blessing? more like a curse to me because I think Price was very average overall in his career.
Anyone else concerned about PLD's propensity to quit when the going gets tough? I don't understand why he would want to play in the pressure filled atmosphere of Montreal. I don't see it being a good fit.
I just never really liked this player.
I just never really liked this player.
I hope the habs get to dress another “average” league mvp some day
Merci Saku
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Sometimes the best thing are right in front of you and you don’t wanna see it
Price in another sweater would have been describe on another level here, it’s sad
Timing and competition.
If you are single and you hear a girl is interested in you, and you think she might be a good fit in your life, you might want to ask her out now, and not a year from now when it will be perhaps cheaper for you.
OUR 1st round pick?
I don't recall anyone seriously suggesting we fork over the 5th OA pick, before the lottery?
Looks like the FLA pick will likely become a 29th, 30th, 31st or 32nd pick OA.
Would likely cost that + Beck to swing a deal.
Is that too much?
FerrisRox
"Wanna go, Prettyboy?"
You are arguing semantics. I mean our first round pick as in a pick that is ours to use.
How you have arrived at the "likely" cost to acquire Dubois is frankly bizarre. You don't have the faintest idea what it would cost to acquire him.
But in the case of that example, as I have stated various times, yes, that is too much. I would rather keep Beck and use the 1st round pick to continue our re-build and target Dubois as an Unrestricted Free Agent, if he gets there.
malcb33
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The biggest part of the "Dubois debate" that doesn't get much attention, is his contract demands. I think most people could agree Dubois can help the team in the mid-long term. He's young enough, big body, can play C, and plays a well-rounded game.
I also think most people can also agree, trading for Dubois just for next year doesn't help the team's goals, so any trade needs to come with/ or have in the works a long-term extension. The problem is, he knows he's just a year away from FA so he has some leverage there.
For example, trading for Dubois with an extension in place at 9M vs 7M on a 6-7 year deal has two vastly different values to the Canadiens. One makes him the marquee player, the other makes him part of the core group.
Personally, I'd be happy if he's part of the core group, but I'm not sure about the marquee player.
I also think most people can also agree, trading for Dubois just for next year doesn't help the team's goals, so any trade needs to come with/ or have in the works a long-term extension. The problem is, he knows he's just a year away from FA so he has some leverage there.
For example, trading for Dubois with an extension in place at 9M vs 7M on a 6-7 year deal has two vastly different values to the Canadiens. One makes him the marquee player, the other makes him part of the core group.
Personally, I'd be happy if he's part of the core group, but I'm not sure about the marquee player.
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Seems strange to see someone so incapable of understand how free agency works out with in-demand players.
FerrisRox
"Wanna go, Prettyboy?"
Right.
Is Pierre "capable of understand how free agency works out?"
'Cause if he is, why is he signing an extension this summer? Why wouldn't he wait until he's a free agent like he has stated he wants to do?
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If he gets a contract offer he likes from a team he would be open to joining, why wouldn't he sign with them? It's like you ignore the obvious, just below the surface subtext of the whole thing: He didn't want to be locked to CBJ and WPG (two of the worst metropolitan areas in the NHL!) and he values having a choice. If the Habs trade for him, he will clearly have indicated he wants to play in MTL long-term.
If he hits full FA, he will be chased by all 32 teams and the Habs will have to negotiate within an entirely different context.
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