Post-Game Talk: ITS OVER- Did we make a huge mistake on Pierre-Luc Dubois Thread?

[yianik]

Same old stuff.

You have people who go on attack when somebody talks about getting a French player because they think it's only because the guy is French and they pretty much don't want him because of that as if he brings nothing to the table.

We do have people who go into overdrive when looking at getting a French guy, even a fringe player. OMG I was glad when Vinny retired , people didn't get the hint he had NO interest in playing for Montreal.

There is no reason to take issue with fans wanting " homegrown " players. But yeah, at times it can be a bit over the top in terms of what we should offer in terms of assets and money.

I think it's great whenever we can land a French
player who fills a role we need filled. We should definitely look at PLD , but it doesn't mean we get soaked in a trade to get him or we pay him whatever to sign with us. I have no doubt Hughes will be talking ( continue ) to the Jets and hopefully we can work out a good trade and contract, or get him as a UFA if the ask us too much.

 

[rik schau]

Same old stuff.

You have people who go on attack when somebody talks about getting a French player because they think it's only because the guy is French and they pretty much don't want him because of that as if he brings nothing to the table.

We do have people who go into overdrive when looking at getting a French guy, even a fringe player. OMG I was glad when Vinny retired , people didn't get the hint he had NO interest in playing for Montreal.

There is no reason to take issue with fans wanting " homegrown " players. But yeah, at times it can be a bit over the top in terms of what we should offer in terms of assets and money.

I think it's great whenever we can land a French
player who fills a role we need filled. We should definitely look at PLD , but it doesn't mean we get soaked in a trade to get him or we pay him whatever to sign with us. I have no doubt Hughes will be talking ( continue ) to the Jets and hopefully we can work out a good trade and contract, or get him as a UFA if the ask us too much.

Yup! people are too obsessed with getting a French sounding name. It's not good enough to have people from Quebec,has to be French Quebec. Just get the best players possible, if the player is French sounding,bonus for those that need that sort of thing but it should not be the priority.

 

[salbutera]

Same old stuff.

You have people who go on attack when somebody talks about getting a French player because they think it's only because the guy is French and they pretty much don't want him because of that as if he brings nothing to the table.

We do have people who go into overdrive when looking at getting a French guy, even a fringe player. OMG I was glad when Vinny retired , people didn't get the hint he had NO interest in playing for Montreal.

There is no reason to take issue with fans wanting " homegrown " players. But yeah, at times it can be a bit over the top in terms of what we should offer in terms of assets and money.

I think it's great whenever we can land a French
player who fills a role we need filled. We should definitely look at PLD , but it doesn't mean we get soaked in a trade to get him or we pay him whatever to sign with us. I have no doubt Hughes will be talking ( continue ) to the Jets and hopefully we can work out a good trade and contract, or get him as a UFA if the ask us too much.

 

[Schooner Guy]

That incident happened after the Cup wins but at any rate, I'd say there are more Cup winners where players don't end up resorting to these sorts of desperate tactics to avoid their coach. Look at Jon Cooper. Or hell even our own Jacques Demers lol. Nor do I think winning justifies what is likely abuse in any normal context. By the way, I don't think Sutter was surviving this if he made the playoffs. Missing the playoffs didn't cost him his job. Calgary wanted to keep him until recently. Exit interviews killed him. It wasn't just the players. Apparently other employees reported being unable to work with him. The dude is toxic as hell.

It certainly sounds like a messy situation and I'm in no way defending Sutter.

There are key points in all this...
1. Sutter had a brand new contract extension about to kick in - worked in his favour
2. Sutter won Jack Adams trophy just a year ago - worked in his favour
3. Prized acquisition Huberdeau didn't play well - didn't work in his favour
4. There were alarming exit interviews - didn't work in his favour
5. Team missed the playoffs - didn't work in his favour

Had three of the above worked in his favour (especially winning a round or two in the playoffs), I think he'd be back. They were ok with Treliving walking out and keeping Sutter. The Flames weren't as bas as their record. Markstrom blew so many one goal games for them. The losing gave the players the leverage they needed.

 

[Spring in Fialta]

It certainly sounds like a messy situation and I'm in no way defending Sutter.

There are key points in all this...
1. Sutter had a brand new contract extension about to kick in - worked in his favour
2. Sutter won Jack Adams trophy just a year ago - worked in his favour
3. Prized acquisition Huberdeau didn't play well - didn't work in his favour
4. There were alarming exit interviews - didn't work in his favour
5. Team missed the playoffs - didn't work in his favour

Had three of the above worked in his favour (especially winning a round or two in the playoffs), I think he'd be back. They were ok with Treliving walking out and keeping Sutter. The Flames weren't as bas as their record. Markstrom blew so many one goal games for them. The losing gave the players the leverage they needed.

Oh, don't get me wrong, I wasn't accusing you of defending him. My point was more than it seems like this had reached a point of no return, no matter the results. I think ownership liked him. I think Treivling didn't and that's why he walked away and I think that the situation was untenable with the amount of trade requests and complaints from staff that came in. In short, I think that the picture of his last two exits don't paint a picture of your average hardass like Tortorella. I think he's a guy who quite clearly crosses boundaries in ways that aren't acceptable.

 

[nhlfan9191]

Medias are strong here, they are strong in NY and Toronto too. HuGo can do whatever they want and don't care and right now they are still on an honeymoon. It might end. The medias can show a negative image of the team. Habs have full time staff to deal with the medias, it's not like if there was nothing at all and they would never care the reactions of the fans and the medias.

Toronto and New York have massive audiences but Montreal is a unique market when it comes to fanbase and media and there’s really nothing else like it in the league. It’s either the greatest or worst place to play depending on the day. Carey Price was the scapegoat for this team for years, but with him gone somebodies going to have to take his place. If we make Dubois the highest paid player on the team, mixed with him being local, he’ll have a target on his back from day one.

 

[Pat Riot]

Toronto and New York have massive audiences but Montreal is a unique market when it comes to fanbase and media and there’s really nothing else like it in the league. It’s either the greatest or worst place to play depending on the day. Carey Price was the scapegoat for this team for years, but with him gone somebodies going to have to take his place. If we make Dubois the highest paid player on the team, mixed with him being local, he’ll have a target on his back from day one.

Price was the prince. He was put on a piedestal. Was winning every single molson cup. He was cuddled and protected. Didnt even show up for a press conference when he signed his monstruous contract. Spent his summer in the west hiding in the woods. How was he the scape goat? IMO he was the contrary of the scapegoat. When we were winning it was because of him and when we lost it was because of the team. I for one am very happy hes done. Now we are free to build a winning team were every player can play an important role. Not like before when you had the prince Carey on the throne then the rest of the team. Scapegoat that is so far from the truth

 

[Vachon23]

Price was the prince. He was put on a piedestal. Was winning every single molson cup. He was cuddled and protected. Didnt even show up for a press conference when he signed his monstruous contract. Spent his summer in the west hiding in the woods. How was he the scape goat? IMO he was the contrary of the scapegoat. When we were winning it was because of him and when we lost it was because of the team. I for one am very happy hes done. Now we are free to build a winning team were every player can play an important role. Not like before when you had the prince Carey on the throne then the rest of the team. Scapegoat that is so far from the truth

Oufff... I don't even know what to say about that post... I don't even know what was the worst take

 

[Pat Riot]

Oufff... I don't even know what to say about that post... I don't even know what was the worst take

What is it
You dont think Price was put on a piedestal during his time in montreal?
You dont think Price winning the molson cup every month was stupid and not good for overall team chemistry?
You think its normal not showing for a press conference after signing the biggest contract in the history of the franchise?
You dont think allowing such a big percentage of the cap to a goalie can hinder you abilities to build a winning team?

If I was building a team I would prefer to have Montembault at 1 million than Price at 10 millions.
If you are honest Price was very underwhelming with his play for a big part of his career. Stats wise it was abysmal for such a big contract

 

[MXD]

You dont think Price winning the molson cup every month was stupid and not good for overall team chemistry?

Is this a serious question?
If the answer is yes... Well, there's the edit function. Pretty useful. Use it. Because you're essentially suggesting the award should've been given to players generally worse than Price to not hurt their feelings.

 

[Pat Riot]

Is this a serious question?
If the answer is yes... Well, there's the edit function. Pretty useful. Use it. Because you're essentially suggesting the award should've been given to players generally worse than Price to not hurt their feelings.

Hurt their feelings seem to be a stretch. I dont think they were sad. But can they find the whole thing silly and annoying. I think it could have impact team chemistry a little bit yes.

the serious question is why you have that avatar?

 

[Runner77]

Never been a fan of the media, in Montreal...............way too much white noise at all times.....
They are the #1 reason, players always go elsewhere, when they become ufa's

That said..........winning, can change that, somewhat.

Like in any other market, there are rapacious, unscrupulous, agenda-driven types but, I believe that’s also the byproduct of the Habs having too great a gravitational pull.

Add another team from the major pro sports in the city and you might start to see some of that media slant get diluted and focused elsewhere, which would be a great thing.

It’s not just the media but NHL players will typically get recognized in a hockey city. Takes a special kind of player to accept and enjoy that.

In a segment André Tourigny did on 98.5 FM’s evening sports show last week, he recounted a story about the time he was having a meal with Patrick Roy several years ago, at a restaurant. During the whole time he was with him, they were getting interrupted non-stop by autograph seekers and photo opp enthusiasts.

At one point, Tourigny turned to Roy and asked how does he do it, isn’t he fed up of the constant interruptions, unable to enjoy a moment to himself.

Roy retorted “these people are the reason that I have everything I have and that I’m able to do what I do for a living”.

Tourigny was stunned by Roy’s reply but said that it completely changed his perception of what it meant to be recognized in this market. Likewise for PLD, if he understands it for what it is, he’ll embrace the total behemoth, rapacious media and all.

 

[OnTheRun]

Hurt their feelings seem to be a stretch. I dont think they were sad. But can they find the whole thing silly and annoying. I think it could have impact team chemistry a little bit yes.

the serious question is why you have that avatar?

The real problem here is, you just don't understand how the Molson Cup is awarded.

 

[Pat Riot]

The real problem here is, you just don't understand how the Molson Cup is awarded.

I know how it works.
The point was Price being the scapegoat.
Him winning the molson cup every month show the contradiction in this
The media treated him like a prince too. That was the point
And I add that was not helpful for team chemistry IMO

 

[YukonCornelius 5thOA]

the serious question is why you have that avatar?

Not a Sean Connery fan? That’s 007 in all his glory my friend!

 

[OnTheRun]

I know how it works.
The point was Price being the scapegoat.
Him winning the molson cup every month show the contradiction in this
The media treated him like a prince too. That was the point
And I add that was not helpful for team chemistry IMO

Are you sure? Cause you're not making any sense here.

 

[salbutera]

What is it
You dont think Price was put on a piedestal during his time in montreal?
You dont think Price winning the molson cup every month was stupid and not good for overall team chemistry?
You think its normal not showing for a press conference after signing the biggest contract in the history of the franchise?
You dont think allowing such a big percentage of the cap to a goalie can hinder you abilities to build a winning team?

If I was building a team I would prefer to have Montembault at 1 million than Price at 10 millions.
If you are honest Price was very underwhelming with his play for a big part of his career. Stats wise it was abysmal for such a big contract

I see…. that’s why even now Price has a higher sv pct than any goalie in the playoffs since 2014 with at least 25GP…

 

[Runner77]

Not a Sean Connery fan? That’s 007 in all his glory my friend!

“Thatch a fantashschtick avatar, I shay!”

-Sean Connery

 

[nhlfan9191]

Price was the prince. He was put on a piedestal. Was winning every single molson cup. He was cuddled and protected. Didnt even show up for a press conference when he signed his monstruous contract. Spent his summer in the west hiding in the woods. How was he the scape goat? IMO he was the contrary of the scapegoat. When we were winning it was because of him and when we lost it was because of the team. I for one am very happy hes done. Now we are free to build a winning team were every player can play an important role. Not like before when you had the prince Carey on the throne then the rest of the team. Scapegoat that is so far from the truth

He was on a pedestal because he was the best statistical goaltender from 2010-17 before injuries and Bergevin sinking the team derailed his career. He also passed every eye test imaginable as he was considered the best technical goaltender in the league. The Molson cup is rewarded based on the 3 stars. Goaltenders are typically rewarded one of the stars when they win games so if he was awarded that, it’s because he was playing well. That’s one of the most bizarre critiques I’ve ever seen and I’ve seen some weird ones. I can guarentee nobody on the team cares about the Molson cup. He was under a microscope the entire time he was here. One slump and the fanbase and media would run with it. There were times the media would sink so low that they were bringing his marriage into it. You don’t have to like Price, but you don’t need to make up ridiculous takes to try and make an argument against him.

 

[YukonCornelius 5thOA]

“Thatch a fantashschtick avatar, I shay!”

-Sean Connery

The VHS artwork of Zardoz always stood out to me when going to the video store as a child. Have still never seen it.

 

[Pat Riot]

Not a Sean Connery fan? That’s 007 in all his glory my friend!

He was a great actor but Im not a fan of that picture

 

[YukonCornelius 5thOA]

He was a great actor but Im not a fan of that picture

To quote the legendary Funkadelic, free your mind and your ass will follow.

 

[Pat Riot]

He was on a pedestal because he was the best statistical goaltender from 2010-17 before injuries and Bergevin sinking the team derailed his career. He also passed every eye test imaginable as he was considered the best technical goaltender in the league. The Molson cup is rewarded based on the 3 stars. Goaltenders are typically rewarded one of the stars when they win games so if he was awarded that, it’s because he was playing well. That’s one of the most bizarre critiques I’ve ever seen and I’ve seen some weird ones. I can guarentee nobody on the team cares about the Molson cup. He was under a microscope the entire time he was here. One slump and the fanbase and media would run with it. There were times the media would sink so low that they were bringing his marriage into it. You don’t have to like Price, but you don’t need to make up ridiculous takes to try and make an argument against him.

The media talking about his marriage thats what makes him a scapegoat in your eyes? Thats just gossips from the media. The Price of being famous. Many sports athlete have the problems aired in public

 

[Runner77]

The VHS artwork of Zardoz always stood out to me when going to the video store as a child. Have still never seen it.

The connection between Connery and Zardoz had completely escaped me. I now realize it was a film that Connery starred in:

In the future, Earth is ruled by Eternals, an advanced and secret sect of beings who reign over a savage group called Brutals. The Eternals have created a god named Zardoz to intimidate the Brutals, making them believe that killing is their natural state. However, Zed (Sean Connery), a Brutal warrior, challenges that assumption when he enters the Zardoz monument and is captured by an Eternal (Charlotte Rampling). There, he learns the truth about the Eternals and the false god that rules society.

The Brutals? Was @BLONG7 involved in the production?

Interesting background on this film and the name “Zardoz”:

Boorman decided to make the film after his abortive attempt at dramatising The Lord of the Rings. Burt Reynolds was originally given the role, but he pulled out due to illness. Sean Connery, in an attempt to reinvent himself after portraying James Bond, signed on.

I only obliquely followed Connery on account of Bond but it looks like he felt typecast and this movie was an attempt to break from it.

That Zardoz word is intriguing:

(Zardoz is a sort-of portmanteau of The Wizard of Oz.) This pisses off Zed and his buddies, so he plots to destroy the Eternals and the harmony of the Vortex.

Which begs the question — is the movie any good?

 

[Pat Riot]

To quote the legendary Funkadelic, free your mind and your ass will follow.

Let me tell you what my ass wouldnt follow. A man dress like that with a gun. Scary shit