Post-Game Talk: ITS OVER- Did we make a huge mistake on Pierre-Luc Dubois Thread?

[BigDaddyLurch]

That's your biggest mistake, listening to Montreal media in the offseason.

...it's the only time we get to hear ANYTHING non-Laffs related here on the East Coast...it's 95% Laffs, 5% Dubois shyte all the time...more's the pity...

 

[Deleted member 257557]

It’ll be fun to get a short reprieve from the PLD situation when Habs win the draft lottery on Monday!

Connor gonna need some big boys on his wings

 

[Captain97]

Connor gonna need some big boys on his wings

Dubois - Bedard - Dach
Caufield - Suzuki - Slaf

Sounds nice

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

Connor gonna need some big boys on his wings

...Slaf & Andy...

 

[Beendair Donedat]

Sutter was fired because he disappointed in the playoffs again. And are you sure you want to actually argue that having empathy for other people means you are coddling them? Because like I said before that says more about you then other people.

Hard to disappoint in the playoffs when you don't actually make them, isn't it?

I'm not arguing that it's bad, this is where you fail to comprehend. Are you deliberately trying to be dense?

I'm saying that the role of the coach and management has changed, to where being a sounding board/counsellor is now mandated into most new age coaches style; and guys that don't do it are being fired because they are disliked by today's players, and their agents. See Tortorella, John or Sutter, Darryl.

And for the record, the definition of "Coddle"- to treat with extreme care. If you don't think today's players are not treated with extreme care in comparison to other generations, I think you need to read up on what was expected and done for others in the past. It's light years different.

 

[Vachon23]

Dubois - Bedard - Dach
Caufield - Suzuki - Slaf

Sounds nice

If where talking for fun,

I think I would try:

Dubois - Bedard - Suzuki
Slaf - Dach - Caufield

I think Suzuki would be a great line mate for Bedard. He got the IQ to play with him and help defensively. Having both PLD and Suzuki who take faceoff would help a lot too.

I would be curious to see Dach passing ability with Caufield

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

PLD wants to test the UFA market, he said it again at the end of season presser. That means there is no point trading for him this off-season, he's not interested in a trade and sign and Habs aren't looking for a one year rental.

The media can cry all they want, Dubois is going to be traded at next season deadline to a contender and become a free agent afterward. And by that point, the Habs will probably have moved to other pieces to fill their top 6.

Dubois can sign here and not go to ufa if he's in a place he wants to be (here). Habs will not pay for a rental, if he comes here, it's to sign here long term.

edit : Habs will not pay for a rental

 

[BLONG7]

Sutter was fired because he disappointed in the playoffs again. And are you sure you want to actually argue that having empathy for other people means you are coddling them? Because like I said before that says more about you then other people.

Maloney said the main reason was............his inability to deal with the players...........old style coach and jerk wrapped up in one....
Failed playoffs last year, didn't make the playoffs this year.

Could not motivate the group at all................failure to communicate and motivate......the guy lacks what it takes for today's athletes.

Dubois can sign here and not go to ufa if he's in a place he wants to be (here). Habs will pay for a rental, if he comes here, it's to sign here long term.

I am now, in the where there is smoke there is fire group..............all parties are probably trying to say the right things so that the media are kept at bay.
I think he may be traded this summer, more than likely to Montreal.
Stay tuned...

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

Answer questions to whom? They don't need to tell media or fans a single thing lol

Medias are strong here, they are strong in NY and Toronto too. HuGo can do whatever they want and don't care and right now they are still on an honeymoon. It might end. The medias can show a negative image of the team. Habs have full time staff to deal with the medias, it's not like if there was nothing at all and they would never care the reactions of the fans and the medias.

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

Maloney said the main reason was............his inability to deal with the players...........old style coach and jerk wrapped up in one....
Failed playoffs last year, didn't make the playoffs this year.

Could not motivate the group at all................failure to communicate and motivate......the guy lacks what it takes for today's athletes.


I am now, in the where there is smoke there is fire group..............all parties are probably trying to say the right things so that the media are kept at bay.
I think he may be traded this summer, more than likely to Montreal.
Stay tuned...

Agree with Sutter.

I'm sure the PLD option have been analysed and eventually discussed with the Jets. They can be close to an agreement. Or not, duscussion is stalled. And maybe HuGo is having other options nobody on this board saw coming and they'll surprise us like they did with Dach. A long term deal with a player, around 8M is something to think and to thing about. No mistake is allowed.

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

If where talking for fun,

I think I would try:

Dubois - Bedard - Suzuki
Slaf - Dach - Caufield

I think Suzuki would be a great line mate for Bedard. He got the IQ to play with him and help defensively. Having both PLD and Suzuki who take faceoff would help a lot too.

I would be curious to see Dach passing ability with Caufield

It's open to a lot of options. And one option can work really well. And we can have exciting hockey to watch.

 

[Sorinth]

Maloney said the main reason was............his inability to deal with the players...........old style coach and jerk wrapped up in one....
Failed playoffs last year, didn't make the playoffs this year.

Could not motivate the group at all................failure to communicate and motivate......the guy lacks what it takes for today's athletes.

If Sutter struggled to communicate/motivate the players but still somehow managed to have playoff success he'd still have a job. He was brought in to help push the team over the top and failed to do that, and that's why he was fired. Now why he failed is likely his due to his lack of communication skills, but that's not because today's athletes need coddling, it's because being able to communicate well and motivate your players without yelling/being a jerk is simply better. That was true for yesterday's athletes as well, if someone invented a time machine and sent a modern coach with modern ideas about how to coach back to the 70s they would run circles around the other teams coaches because it has nothing to do with players changing and everything to do with being a more effective method.

 

[Guy Larose]

So last year his agent says that he wants to play in MTL and everyone freaks out and they get flak for it. This year he alludes to going to UFA status (since he's still under contract right now as well), and everybody freaks out. He's not just going to come out at this time and say he wants to go to MTL LOL

 

[McPhees Moustache]

If Sutter struggled to communicate/motivate the players but still somehow managed to have playoff success he'd still have a job. He was brought in to help push the team over the top and failed to do that, and that's why he was fired. Now why he failed is likely his due to his lack of communication skills, but that's not because today's athletes need coddling, it's because being able to communicate well and motivate your players without yelling/being a jerk is simply better. That was true for yesterday's athletes as well, if someone invented a time machine and sent a modern coach with modern ideas about how to coach back to the 70s they would run circles around the other teams coaches because it has nothing to do with players changing and everything to do with being a more effective method.

Sutter was fired for his handling of the players. I live in Calgary and have followed the firing extensively. If it was really about performance he would've been let go at the end of the season instead of waiting for the GM to walk and conducting exit interviews with the players during which several players (Lindholm and Backlund) questioned their future with the team with Sutter at the helm.
This was on top of public feuds between Huberdeau/Sutter and Kadri/Sutter earlier in the year and Sutter belittling Jakob Pelltier's play/accomplishments after he was called up for his first NHL game.

 

[CHwest]

Hard to disappoint in the playoffs when you don't actually make them, isn't it?

I'm not arguing that it's bad, this is where you fail to comprehend. Are you deliberately trying to be dense?

I'm saying that the role of the coach and management has changed, to where being a sounding board/counsellor is now mandated into most new age coaches style; and guys that don't do it are being fired because they are disliked by today's players, and their agents. See Tortorella, John or Sutter, Darryl.

And for the record, the definition of "Coddle"- to treat with extreme care. If you don't think today's players are not treated with extreme care in comparison to other generations, I think you need to read up on what was expected and done for others in the past. It's light years different.

I don't think it has anything to do with coddling. People want to be treated with a little respect, that is all. Sutter was a bitingly sarcastic, caustic person. It is humorous until it gets turn on you, and the schtic gets old fast. Therrien was another one, just an all out dick.

Sutter was fired for his handling of the players. I live in Calgary and have followed the firing extensively. If it was really about performance he would've been let go at the end of the season instead of waiting for the GM to walk and conducting exit interviews with the players during which several players (Lindholm and Backlund) questioned their future with the team with Sutter at the helm.
This was on top of public feuds between Huberdeau/Sutter and Kadri/Sutter earlier in the year and Sutter belittling Jakob Pelltier's play/accomplishments after he was called up for his first NHL game.

That was brutal and totally uncalled for.

 

[Skip Bayless]

Dubois - Bedard - Dach
Caufield - Suzuki - Slaf

Sounds nice

"We don't need to tank, we need good development..."

 

[Benstheman]

...I wish this shyte would just go away...if he signs here when he's a UFA, fine; otherwise, let's just focus on our bright future, shall we?...

What bright future?

 

[CHwest]

What bright future?

Yeah without Dubois we are definitely doomed.

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[Catanddogguitarrr]

Yeah without Dubois we are definitely doomed.

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Dubois or another one but we need few good players for sure. Habs with Suzuki alone is a losing team. Dach in few years, maybe but a good team needs more than CC, Su, Slaf and Dach

 

[Spring in Fialta]

Hard to disappoint in the playoffs when you don't actually make them, isn't it?

I'm not arguing that it's bad, this is where you fail to comprehend. Are you deliberately trying to be dense?

I'm saying that the role of the coach and management has changed, to where being a sounding board/counsellor is now mandated into most new age coaches style; and guys that don't do it are being fired because they are disliked by today's players, and their agents. See Tortorella, John or Sutter, Darryl.

And for the record, the definition of "Coddle"- to treat with extreme care. If you don't think today's players are not treated with extreme care in comparison to other generations, I think you need to read up on what was expected and done for others in the past. It's light years different.

Considering the way Sutter's last two exits when, he sounds closer to Keenan than Tortorella. As far as we know, Tortorella's a hardass but he's not an asshole for the sake of being an asshole. Sutter literally got locked out of the locker room by his own players in LA and the complaints in Calgary went beyond the players, to include other staff members and trainers who I assure you are not all young folks. There's a clear pattern here of him either being outright abusive or crossing the line in a way that's making way too many people uncomfortable for him to keep a job.

Anyone still going to bat for that guy either must have serious trouble maintaining real-life relationships or is being willfully blind as to how much of an asshole the guy probably is.

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

If the panthers pick ends up 29th+, I would offer
1st + Kidney + Ylonen + Hoffman/Armia

 

[SlafySZN]

Yeah without Dubois we are definitely doomed.

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Dubois is the best player ever haven’t you heard?

 

[Schooner Guy]

Considering the way Sutter's last two exits when, he sounds closer to Keenan than Tortorella. As far as we know, Tortorella's a hardass but he's not an asshole for the sake of being an asshole. Sutter literally got locked out of the locker room by his own players in LA and the complaints in Calgary went beyond the players, to include other staff members and trainers who I assure you are not all young folks. There's a clear pattern here of him either being outright abusive or crossing the line in a way that's making way too many people uncomfortable for him to keep a job.

Anyone still going to bat for that guy either must have serious trouble maintaining real-life relationships or is being willfully blind as to how much of an asshole the guy probably is.

Sutter did win two Cups in LA not that long ago. It all comes down to performance. Had the Flames made the playoffs and won a round this year, he'd likely still be their coach even with the negative exit interviews.

The Flames play improved big time after he became their coach. His style has a limited shelf-life however. Flames players who dislike Sutter can thank Markstrom for being so awful this year.

Back to Dubois, my biggest concern is the Habs committing too much salary and term to an inconsistent 60 point player who was a no-show in his team's last two games of the playoffs. With a new contract coming soon, he had every reason in the world to show up in those games.

 

[HuGort]

Lukas Cormier had a really good year in the AHL too, same with Jeremie Poirier.

Not because you're not in the NHL right away after the CHL, that it's mean that under achieving.

What I seen of them. I was expecting more.

 

[Spring in Fialta]

Sutter did win two Cups in LA not that long ago. It all comes down to performance. Had the Flames made the playoffs and won a round this year, he'd likely still be their coach even with the negative exit interviews.

The Flames play improved big time after he became their coach. His style has a limited shelf-life however. Flames players who dislike Sutter can thank Markstrom for being so awful this year.

Back to Dubois, my biggest concern is the Habs committing too much salary and term to an inconsistent 60 point player who was a no-show in his team's last two games of the playoffs. With a new contract coming soon, he had every reason in the world to show up in those games.

That incident happened after the Cup wins but at any rate, I'd say there are more Cup winners where players don't end up resorting to these sorts of desperate tactics to avoid their coach. Look at Jon Cooper. Or hell even our own Jacques Demers lol. Nor do I think winning justifies what is likely abuse in any normal context. By the way, I don't think Sutter was surviving this if he made the playoffs. Missing the playoffs didn't cost him his job. Calgary wanted to keep him until recently. Exit interviews killed him. It wasn't just the players. Apparently other employees reported being unable to work with him. The dude is toxic as hell.