Post-Game Talk: ITS OVER- Did we make a huge mistake on Pierre-Luc Dubois Thread?

[The Great Weal]

What drafting record? Anything before last season is completely irrelevant. And even in MB's last few years he started to draft better - Guhle, Mailloux, Caufield, Roy

The one where we are the only team in the league not to draft a player that scored 70 points in a season. Want to talk about the people currently in charge even though Lapointe is still here from previous management? The best players drafted under the management that came over from the Rangers are Chytil and Miller, neither of which are close to PLD.

 

[JT3]

Why trade for Dubois when we can sit on our hands and keep hoping that everything works out for the best? What's the point of being pro-active when we can cross our fingers and hope a late 1st turns into a Dubois instead of the McCarron, Scherbak, Juulsen, and Poehling we ended up with. Anything could happen!

 

[sampollock]

I like how people all of a sudden think we can draft a better player than PLD with the 17th pick when we have one of the worst drafting records in the entire league.

nope
PLD is better then a 17th now Kent needs to convince Chevy that

 

[BaseballCoach]

I like how people all of a sudden think we can draft a better player than PLD with the 17th pick when we have one of the worst drafting records in the entire league.

You're right and I do support trading for PLD, but it is not quite fair to compare the guy we will get at 17th making ELC money versus PLD making $7.5M or more. The established player is supposed to be better to offset the money. Is PLD enough better to make the trade worthwhile? Probably, but it is not a straight comparison of ability alone.

 

[sampollock]

You're right and I do support trading for PLD, but it is not quite fair to compare the guy we will get at 17th making ELC money versus PLD making $7.5M or more. The established player is supposed to be better to offset the money. Is PLD enough better to make the trade worthwhile? Probably, but it is not a straight comparison of ability alone.

No, but it speeds up the build by getting PLD then a guy at 17

 

[Schooner Guy]

The one where we are the only team in the league not to draft a player that scored 70 points in a season. Want to talk about the people currently in charge even though Lapointe is still here from previous management? The best players drafted under the management that came over from the Rangers are Chytil and Miller, neither of which are close to PLD.

Lane Hutson only had 48 points. Slaf didn't get 70 points in the NHL at age 18. Fire them all!

For the record, Davidson had 82 points and Guindon had 69 points. Both late picks. Not that this should matter as the draft is all about where players are are in 5 years.

 

[The Great Weal]

Lane Hutson only had 48 points. Slaf didn't get 70 points in the NHL at age 18. Fire them all!

For the record, Davidson had 82 points and Guindon had 69 points. Both late picks. Not that this should matter as the draft is all about where players are are in 5 years.

I’m talking about scoring 70 points in the NHL…we are the only team not to have done that since 2003. The current management also has a bad record.

 

[Schooner Guy]

I’m talking about scoring 70 points in the NHL…we are the only team not to have done that since 2003. The current management also has a bad record.

Gotcha! I misunderstood.

Funny thing is Sergachev may have a chance at 70 points next year. He had 64 this year.

 

[26Mats]

I don't think WIN can afford to rebuild or reset. They have the pieces to keep going and their market won't support years of sucking. They also can't sign big names and have issues retaining talent because the city stinks. That's why I think a guy like Anderson is the perfect piece for them. He's got term, he's a player that GMs and coaches love, he's not too old.

Swap Josh and a lil extra for PLD. Done deal. We keep our 17th.

The fans on the Jets board seem to be ready to tear it down.

But yeah, maybe Anderson + one or more pieces from among Mesar, Ylonen, Kidney, gets it done.

I think they need centers and RD's just like us though.

 

[Captain Mountain]

The fans on the Jets board seem to be ready to tear it down.

But yeah, maybe Anderson + one or more pieces from among Mesar, Ylonen, Kidney, gets it done.

I think they need centers and RD's just like us though.

Fans on this board have been ready to tear it down many times over the years, its another thing entirely for a team to do it.

Whether the Jets rebuild or retool is based entirely on how many of Hellebuyck, Dubois and Scheifele will re-up AND how open Morrissey, Connor and Ehlers are to a step back. Because the idea of going heavy on futures can be appealing on the hockey futures board, its another thing if they piss off their D-man who just had a Norris caliber season who has full NMC.

 

[Naslundforever]

No, but it speeds up the build by getting PLD then a guy at 17

Captain will be hitting 30 by the time that kid would get good…

 

[HuGort]

Probably best we don't trade for PLD. Going to cost at least Florida pick. If not more? Which is going to be a good prospect. Then we have to pay him 7 or 8 million next season. Which can be used to acquire another first in '24 draft. If not more?

For one extra season of PLD on contending team, to give up 2 first picks, if not more. It's expensive!!

 

[OnTheRun]

Probably best we don't trade for PLD. Going to cost at least Florida pick. If not more? Which is going to be a good prospect. Then we have to pay him 7 or 8 million next season. Which can be used to acquire another first in '24 draft. If not more?

For one extra season of PLD on contending team, to give up 2 first picks, if not more. It's expensive!!

This is the perk of doing nothing, you can always pretends there is something better waiting for you around the corner.
...We've been waiting for that corner for over a decade but who is counting.

 

[sampollock]

Probably best we don't trade for PLD. Going to cost at least Florida pick. If not more? Which is going to be a good prospect. Then we have to pay him 7 or 8 million next season. Which can be used to acquire another first in '24 draft. If not more?

For one extra season of PLD on contending team, to give up 2 first picks, if not more. It's expensive!!

Then the Bruins will sign him as a UFA
My guess

 

[Habitant#1]

I don't know why HuGo are so intent on 'accelerating the rebuild'.
Habs still don't have a franchise forward or defenceman, which is all but required to win a Cup.
I really like our players, but having $8M each to Suzuki, Caufield, PLD is just not gonna cut it. If Dach explodes while he's still at 3.5M then that's something but there's just not enough elite offensive talent here to win a championship.

Habs need to keep tanking until they draft at least one franchise forward/defencemen.

 

[Draft]

I don't know why HuGo are so intent on 'accelerating the rebuild'.
Habs still don't have a franchise forward or defenceman, which is all but required to win a Cup.
I really like our players, but having $8M each to Suzuki, Caufield, PLD is just not gonna cut it. If Dach explodes while he's still at 3.5M then that's something but there's just not enough elite offensive talent here to win a championship.

Habs need to keep tanking until they draft at least one franchise forward/defencemen.

Why even go to work if you can just buy lottery tickets?

 

[CAUFIELD]

Mesar + Florida 1st + struble. Send the papers.

Imagine adding Dubois and by chance , bedard … in one offseason

Caufield Bedard Dach
Slafkosvky Suzuki Dubois
Heineman Dvorak Anderson

Skilled and heavy

 

[Vachon23]

Mesar + Florida 1st + struble. Send the papers.

Imagine adding Dubois and by chance , bedard … in one offseason

Caufield Bedard Dach
Slafkosvky Suzuki Dubois
Heineman Dvorak Anderson

Skilled and heavy

If that happen I think I would try:

Dubois-Bedard-Suzuki
Slafkovsky-Dach-Caufield

 

[SlafySZN]

I don't know why HuGo are so intent on 'accelerating the rebuild'.
Habs still don't have a franchise forward or defenceman, which is all but required to win a Cup.
I really like our players, but having $8M each to Suzuki, Caufield, PLD is just not gonna cut it. If Dach explodes while he's still at 3.5M then that's something but there's just not enough elite offensive talent here to win a championship.

Habs need to keep tanking until they draft at least one franchise forward/defencemen.

They’re not trying to accelerate the rebuild. People misunderstand what they’re trying to say. When they talk about acquiring a young player to ‘’accelerate’’ things they mean getting a young 20-21 year old already in the league or close to be still in development like Dach, compared to a 18 years old who’s still at least 2 years away + the development process in the NHL. So the young players we have can mostly be ready at the same time in 3 years. If that makes sense.

 

[Shawnathon]

They’re not trying to accelerate the rebuild. People misunderstand what they’re trying to say. When they talk about acquiring a young player to ‘’accelerate’’ things they mean getting a young 20-21 year old already in the league or close to be still in development like Dach, compared to a 18 years old who’s still at least 2 years away + the development process in the NHL. So the young players we have can mostly be ready at the same time in 3 years. If that makes sense.

Suzuki, Caufield, PLD and Dach with a few additions will be enough to bring us back to the same mediocre crap we’ve seen since the last 20 or whatever years. If you want to guarantee you’re competing for a wild card spot on a yearly basis, spend stupidly on the Dubois’s of the NHL and ensure you’re never competing with the best of the division, much less the conference/league

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

imagine not wanting to trade a mid 1st and a future bust like Mesar (1st rounder) and Dvorak for Dubois

Yall crazy. The only crazy kids we have is Caufield and Guhle whos been injured alot. The rest are not even top 6 or top 4dmen lol. We suck at drafting and that's a reality. All teams are also bound to get a lucky once.

PLD will make the team better than players like Mailloux Mesar Roy Harris Barron RHP Farell in a heartbeat lol.

Also people gotta understand that even if we get Dubois we are still not a playoff team with an awful bottom 6 , no top def veterans or a #1 goalie.
Getting PLD is fixing 1 of the 3 holes in the top 6 right away and we could atleast make 2 duos instead of having 1 line doing everything and the 3 rest sleeps night after night

 

[HuGort]

Then the Bruins will sign him as a UFA
My guess

Bruins in caphell. Dubois will hit jackpot. He's not going there

 

[BaseballCoach]

I don't know why HuGo are so intent on 'accelerating the rebuild'.
Habs still don't have a franchise forward or defenceman, which is all but required to win a Cup.
I really like our players, but having $8M each to Suzuki, Caufield, PLD is just not gonna cut it. If Dach explodes while he's still at 3.5M then that's something but there's just not enough elite offensive talent here to win a championship.

Habs need to keep tanking until they draft at least one franchise forward/defencemen.

I disagree. You pay $8M to your strong players and $10-11M to your stud superstar who is as good as two stars.

You can win a Stanley Cup with 11 strong players and no megastars.

You cannot win a Cup with a megastar and insufficient strong players. Even with a megastar, you probably need 9 other good players.

Right now, we have at best 5 strong players (if you count Dach and if Guhle steps up). Dubois is of course not a megastar, he is just one of the additional strong players we need. If he wants to play here, he is turning only 25 soon, and has scored 27 or more three times. Get him if you can and fill one of our many holes.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Bruins in caphell. Dubois will hit jackpot. He's not going there

And if he signs there he was never coming to the Habs anyway. He might sign somewhere else rather than wait another year for a long term contract but he would never sign with the hated Bruins.

 

[River Meadow]

Probably best we don't trade for PLD. Going to cost at least Florida pick. If not more? Which is going to be a good prospect. Then we have to pay him 7 or 8 million next season. Which can be used to acquire another first in '24 draft. If not more?

For one extra season of PLD on contending team, to give up 2 first picks, if not more. It's expensive!!

Exactly.................