It's about time for a Kreider thread

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yes, hes got erik cole potential and that would be awesome. cole in his day was a ferocious player.

side note, hes from oswego, ny- where i went to college and a local hometown hero. :nod:

ck's wheels are scary good. his first few steps i would dare say are as good as anyone in the league. he goes from zero to top speed in so little time and space its filthy. until you see him in person at ice level, you really cant appreciate his blinding speed from a standstill. he has jet feet.

having said that, it may sound crazy but hell be the most effective when NOT at top speed and sometimes standing still. i still say he will be the most dangerous scoring goals within 15 ft of the goal. hes so big and leverages so well, he is impossible to stop when hes protecting the puck. if he can develop that "cut back, cross ice snapper against the grain shot" when hes got the puck at speed, and his down low power scoring move, ala, go to the front of the net with the puck every time hes got control, he will become a 30 goal guy easy.

and add to that having him stand near the goal on the pp, hes got 30+ in him. easy.

Cole was a pretty gnarly player. To be honest I think Chris more than matches him for speed--he's a little bigger and quite a bit stronger and despite not scoring many goals he's making a lot of nice plays--I remember Cole more as a goal scorer than a playmaker. Right now Chris is getting the shots--not the goals but his playmaking has offset that to a degree.

Rangers seem to me to be snakebit a lot this year. I'd venture to say we have almost as many posts, crossbars and goals called back as we have goals. Luck eventually should start going our way for a number of players. Chris is starting to find his game and he looks to me like within a year or two if he can continue to improve he might be a legit 1st line player.
 
Cole was a pretty gnarly player. To be honest I think Chris more than matches him for speed--he's a little bigger and quite a bit stronger and despite not scoring many goals he's making a lot of nice plays--I remember Cole more as a goal scorer than a playmaker. Right now Chris is getting the shots--not the goals but his playmaking has offset that to a degree.

Rangers seem to me to be snakebit a lot this year. I'd venture to say we have almost as many posts, crossbars and goals called back as we have goals. Luck eventually should start going our way for a number of players. Chris is starting to find his game and he looks to me like within a year or two if he can continue to improve he might be a legit 1st line player.
Still over 60 games to go. The bad luck he has had is gonna stop sometime. I ahve a feeling when he gets the next one then he will be more relaxed and the goals will come in bunches. Last night Rask played absolutely out of his mind. i mean we took alot of good shots but Rask(who is a great goalie) probably had his best game, he even had some luck when stralman hit the post. In regard to kreider i think this next road trip will be a good one for him in terms of getting some goals
 
Lots of guys are finishers at lower levels that never become finishers in the NHL. He might become one, but he isn't one at this moment.

What was he when he scored 5 goals on 29 shots in the playoffs 2 years ago? 17.2% shooting percentage. The kid has a great shot.

His shooting percentage is low right now. Law of averages says it will go up. Every player goes through periods like this, but at least Kreider is still contributing in other ways.
 
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Or maybe you can be the mature and enlightened individual that you're trying to prove you are to us with your babble in your nonsensical trade proposals and let it go?

I got pilloried for a year and a half on Kreider.
I'm not gonna put everyone through a year and a half gloat fest, but I will make sure that my harshest detractors, who said there was no possible way I could be right, and some who were extremely rude in the process, have to get their comeuppance first.

THEN it can rest.
We are most of the way there, it remains to be seen as I disagreed w/BoomBoomGeofrion about whether or not Kreider, based on his upside and potential, was more valuable than Stepan.

It took real balls, not the artificial kind, to make that call.

It is a little to close to claim victory there, though I expect I will be able to by next season at the latest, if not before. Consider...

While praise for Stepan is in order for upping his game beginning about a year ago, Stepan can only do so much to elevate the play of his linemates. For example, Zuc has had problems w/his game prior to this year. While some of that is a deserved credit to him for improvement, he (Zuc) is not noticeably faster, stronger, etc; yet his presence on offense especially is more effective, pushing even dominant. Reason? Kreider.

Kreider is so fast and gathers extra attention, it opens up ice space making Zuc and the C pro tempore that much more effective. When Zuc plays with Hags, it's similar. Hags has Kreider like speed but not strength in presence, but Kreider-Hags (or vice versa) = 1 -2 punch. We wear out inferior opposition, and hold our own with better teams.

Kreider, with a better, smarter system, is allowing us to dominate time of possession and shots and play in general on most occasions.

Stepan, yes contributes.
But apparently not as much across the board to the same degree.

Be that as it may.
We have time to see how that shakes out.
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As to my " babble in your nonsensical trade proposals", a lot of this is stuff you just flat out disagree with, which is fine. You won't be the first or last.

But you are erroneously speaking authoritatively, even if this is something, ironically, you choose to accuse me of.

I never say anything I propose is correct because, ego sum, I am the one who is saying it. It is not by fiat. It is a matter of the merits based on facts, which when absent we estimate.

I recently said one of several ways to go relative to MDZ, in response to a poster who pretty much asked how does MDZ get you EKane, that a package of Staal + MDZ + Brassard for EKane + Redmond + Postma + rights to Burmistrov, was found to be extremely tempting, given Jets need for LD, and only being non-committal to actually move EKane, not value, was cause of hold up.

Whether or not that is our best deal is fair and open to debate.

It is a reasonable ? to ask if that is a good deal.

But you immediately shot it down, asking who would play LD?

McD
Moore
Connor Allen
and likely others further on the depth chart, not counting possible additions.

This was not enough for you, insufficient in your OPINION.
That assessment BY YOU is NOT a statement of FACT.


You then had to make a snide remark, like there was no possible way this could be correct.

You completely rejected the added value of adding a difference maker F, what that does in terms of goals scored, what that does in time of possession in the offensive zone.

It's like when I wanted to do Hall + for Girardi + Staal as a matched pair +
But no, we couldn't dare break up our vaunted defense, even for a top stud we desperately needed at LW in Hall.

Of course, Oiler fans didn't want to move the face of the franchise --- fair enough. I again bring up, as a fan, true, you never want to trade Ted Williams. But if Ted Williams gets you Mickey Mantle AND Whitey Ford, and that pitching let's you be competitive, you have to ask if you wanna do it if the end goal is victory, not player attachment.

Oiler fans are still holding on to Hall, though less tightly then before.


In any event,
It is NOT as cut and dried as you claim it is.

You laugh, and you mock. Do so at your own risk, what goes around comes around.

One of these days, if for no reason other than inevitability alone, a megadeal will happen similar enough to one I proposed and we'll have an opportunity to consider the results.

In the mean time, trades aside, you can look at my generally good track record --- on non trade issues, about our players, and approaches, about Miller, Kreider, Talbot, and losing Torts.

Again, you'll always have Tysen Dowzak to hang over me.
But not as much else as you'd think or you'd like.
 
I got pilloried for a year and a half on Kreider.
I'm not gonna put everyone through a year and a half gloat fest, but I will make sure that my harshest detractors, who said there was no possible way I could be right, and some who were extremely rude in the process, have to get their comeuppance first.

THEN it can rest.
We are most of the way there, it remains to be seen as I disagreed w/BoomBoomGeofrion about whether or not Kreider, based on his upside and potential, was more valuable than Stepan.

It took real balls, not the artificial kind, to make that call.

It is a little to close to claim victory there, though I expect I will be able to by next season at the latest, if not before. Consider...

While praise for Stepan is in order for upping his game beginning about a year ago, Stepan can only do so much to elevate the play of his linemates. For example, Zuc has had problems w/his game prior to this year. While some of that is a deserved credit to him for improvement, he (Zuc) is not noticeably faster, stronger, etc; yet his presence on offense especially is more effective, pushing even dominant. Reason? Kreider.

Kreider is so fast and gathers extra attention, it opens up ice space making Zuc and the C pro tempore that much more effective. When Zuc plays with Hags, it's similar. Hags has Kreider like speed but not strength in presence, but Kreider-Hags (or vice versa) = 1 -2 punch. We wear out inferior opposition, and hold our own with better teams.

Kreider, with a better, smarter system, is allowing us to dominate time of possession and shots and play in general on most occasions.

Stepan, yes contributes.
But apparently not as much across the board to the same degree.

Be that as it may.
We have time to see how that shakes out.
___________

As to my " babble in your nonsensical trade proposals", a lot of this is stuff you just flat out disagree with, which is fine. You won't be the first or last.

But you are erroneously speaking authoritatively, even if this is something, ironically, you choose to accuse me of.

I never say anything I propose is correct because, ego sum, I am the one who is saying it. It is not by fiat. It is a matter of the merits based on facts, which when absent we estimate.

I recently said one of several ways to go relative to MDZ, in response to a poster who pretty much asked how does MDZ get you EKane, that a package of Staal + MDZ + Brassard for EKane + Redmond + Postma + rights to Burmistrov, was found to be extremely tempting, given Jets need for LD, and only being non-committal to actually move EKane, not value, was cause of hold up.

Whether or not that is our best deal is fair and open to debate.

It is a reasonable ? to ask if that is a good deal.

But you immediately shot it down, asking who would play LD?

McD
Moore
Connor Allen
and likely others further on the depth chart, not counting possible additions.

This was not enough for you, insufficient in your OPINION.
That assessment BY YOU is NOT a statement of FACT.


You then had to make a snide remark, like there was no possible way this could be correct.

You completely rejected the added value of adding a difference maker F, what that does in terms of goals scored, what that does in time of possession in the offensive zone.

It's like when I wanted to do Hall + for Girardi + Staal as a matched pair +
But no, we couldn't dare break up our vaunted defense, even for a top stud we desperately needed at LW in Hall.

Of course, Oiler fans didn't want to move the face of the franchise --- fair enough. I again bring up, as a fan, true, you never want to trade Ted Williams. But if Ted Williams gets you Mickey Mantle AND Whitey Ford, and that pitching let's you be competitive, you have to ask if you wanna do it if the end goal is victory, not player attachment.

Oiler fans are still holding on to Hall, though less tightly then before.


In any event,
It is NOT as cut and dried as you claim it is.

You laugh, and you mock. Do so at your own risk, what goes around comes around.

One of these days, if for no reason other than inevitability alone, a megadeal will happen similar enough to one I proposed and we'll have an opportunity to consider the results.

In the mean time, trades aside, you can look at my generally good track record --- on non trade issues, about our players, and approaches, about Miller, Kreider, Talbot, and losing Torts.

Again, you'll always have Tysen Dowzak to hang over me.
But not as much else as you'd think or you'd like.

I know you like to make deals. Really I kind of get the idea that you think the lot of us are pretty dense. If only the Rangers did this if only the Rangers did that…..but all these Rangers fans knuckleheads here don't get the logic.

But what the **** with Taylor Hall? Evander Kane? Who the **** cares? If you really want to help--why don't you see if you can put enough multi player deals together so that you can get us all of Sidney Crosby, Evgeni Malkin, Alex Ovechkin, Erik Karlsson, Milan Lucic and Shea Weber without giving up Lundqvist, Kreider, McDonagh, Hagelin, McIlrath and Stepan. We'll need a few depth players as well just to give those guys a breather.
 
Chris "Higgins" Kreider. He may never recover his scoring touch again.

Higgins is definitely a player I thought of in regards to Kreider's seeming inability to put the puck in the net...

However, Higgins had his 2nd best (or 3rd depending on how you view the stats) statistical season of his career two years ago. Put up a 20 goal pace last season. Has 7 goals in 23 games this year. Really, the only year that was a significant aberration from his norm in points was the year he played for us. Go figure.
 
Higgins is definitely a player I thought of in regards to Kreider's seeming inability to put the puck in the net...

However, Higgins had his 2nd best (or 3rd depending on how you view the stats) statistical season of his career two years ago. Put up a 20 goal pace last season. Has 7 goals in 23 games this year. Really, the only year that was a significant aberration from his norm in points was the year he played for us. Go figure.

Yeah, I probably should of added "until he gets traded elsewhere". My post was in jest for the most part. Don't think I've seen a player more snake bitten than Kreider since the Chris Higgins days. Both named Chris. Thought it was fitting.
 
Yeah, I probably should of added "until he gets traded elsewhere". My post was in jest for the most part. Don't think I've seen a player more snake bitten than Kreider since the Chris Higgins days. Both named Chris. Thought it was fitting.

I think Nash early last year is a better example. My memory is fuzzy but I don't remember Higgins getting nearly the amount of chances Kreider has.
 
I think Nash early last year is a better example. My memory is fuzzy but I don't remember Higgins getting nearly the amount of chances Kreider has.
Yes you are right nash went through the same thing lats year and eventually he scored in bunches. I expect the smae thing to happen for CK as long as he continues playing like he has
 
Your memory is fuzzy. Higgins got grade A chances every game... or nearly so.

Maybe. But I don't see how a guy like Higgins got great chances every game on THAT team. I mean Gomez was an excellent playmaker, did he play with him? Even then, there are few players that get grade A chances every game and Higgins is not some offensive powerhouse.
 
Maybe. But I don't see how a guy like Higgins got great chances every game on THAT team. I mean Gomez was an excellent playmaker, did he play with him? Even then, there are few players that get grade A chances every game and Higgins is not some offensive powerhouse.

Gomez and Higgins were traded for each other. He spent that year with one of Dubinsky, Anisimov or Prospal. While he may not have been an offensive powerhouse... if you remove that year from his stats, his career shooting percentage is 11.15%, never with another season under 7.95%. That year, including his time in Calgary, he shot at 4.85% and for us in 55 games he shot at 4.38%. It's was a pretty bizarre situation.
 
Gomez and Higgins were traded for each other. He spent that year with one of Dubinsky, Anisimov or Prospal. While he may not have been an offensive powerhouse... if you remove that year from his stats, his career shooting percentage is 11.15%, never with another season under 7.95%. That year, including his time in Calgary, he shot at 4.85% and for us in 55 games he shot at 4.38%. It's was a pretty bizarre situation.

Right, I forgot that they were traded for each other. My point was you said he created grade A chances every game and that sounds like an exaggeration for a player like him playing on our least talented team since the lockout.
 
Right, I forgot that they were traded for each other. My point was you said he created grade A chances every game and that sounds like an exaggeration for a player like him playing on our least talented team since the lockout.

I didn't say he created chances... I said he got chances. Maybe it was only every game for a couple of months at the beginning, before his confidence was probably totally shot. That might have been our least talented team... but it's a team that makes the playoffs if Higgins shoots at even, what is otherwise, his career low in shot %.
 
I didn't say he created chances... I said he got chances. Maybe it was only every game for a couple of months at the beginning, before his confidence was probably totally shot. That might have been our least talented team... but it's a team that makes the playoffs if Higgins shoots at even, what is otherwise, his career low in shot %.

Actually, 2nd least talented team, I thought he played in 08-09. Either way, which of those players is good enough to get Higgin scoring chances every game?
 
I'm not gonna put everyone through a year and a half gloat fest, but I will make sure that my harshest detractors, who said there was no possible way I could be right, and some who were extremely rude in the process, have to get their comeuppance first.especially is more effective, pushing even dominant. Reason? Kreider.

Oh yeah? Prove it. Jesus dude, he's our best prospect, not exactly a shot in the dark.

I don't know what kind of responses you expect, the ideas you propose never happen in reality.
 
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THEN it can rest.
We are most of the way there, it remains to be seen as I disagreed w/BoomBoomGeofrion about whether or not Kreider, based on his upside and potential, was more valuable than Stepan.

It took real balls, not the artificial kind, to make that call.

It is a little to close to claim victory there, though I expect I will be able to by next season at the latest, if not before. Consider...
I know that's what eating you up. Kreider playing as well as he is doesn't take away from the fact that you were wrong. The problem is you were including Stepan in every one of your fantasy proposals and claiming that Brass/Miller can play his role. That's still wrong.
 
My favorite part about bern's gloatfest, by far, is that its not like Kreider is some pending superstar taking the NHL by storm right now.

He has graduated to looking like a capable NHL'er.
 
Might be more snake-bit than Nash was at the start of last year. It's maddening lol.
 
My favorite part about bern's gloatfest, by far, is that its not like Kreider is some pending superstar taking the NHL by storm right now.

He has graduated to looking like a capable NHL'er.

To be fair, he's by far our best forward right now.

That's more than "a capable NHLer"
 
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