Blue Jays Discussion: It's a bird, it's a plane, it's Kevin Pillar!

[zeke]

I would say it's safer to project Bo as a 3B and Vlad as a 1B, but maybe they surprise.

 

[Canada4Gold]

I think Alford is hurt. He was lifted for a defensive sub just 3 days ago I believe and hasnt played since. Any updates on his status.

He did get injured in the field. However he was listed on the roster as a bench player last night so it can't be that serious as he would have been on the minor league DL by now if it was.

 

[Bad News Benning]

Poor Nick Wells(former jays pick). Lugnuts are straight up murdering his ass.

Olivarestaurant garden, bo knows, and Vlad the baseball impaler are a combined 7 for 8 so far today.

 

[one77]

I would say it's safer to project Bo as a 3B and Vlad as a 1B, but maybe they surprise.

Wow really? You don't see Vlad as a 3B or LF?

 

[stickty111]

He did get injured in the field. However he was listed on the roster as a bench player last night so it can't be that serious as he would have been on the minor league DL by now if it was.

Okay. That sounds like good news. Thanks!

 

[Bad News Benning]

Wow really? You don't see Vlad as a 3B or LF?

Depends if his athleticism fades as he gets older and bigger. I think at some point in his career he will move to 1b but it's not set in stone exactly when that move will happen.

Its important to note that guys like EE, Cabrera, Jose, etc came up through the minors playing on the left side of the diamond but didn't last long once they reached the majors.

 

[Diamond Joe Quimby]

I mean...if Schwarber can "play" LF, I can't see why you couldn't stick Vlad there for his cost-control years. That's if he truly comes up as a liability at 3B. Bo will either be a 3B\2B, I imagine.

 

[Bad News Benning]

I mean...if Schwarber can "play" LF, I can't see why you couldn't stick Vlad there for his cost-control years. That's if he truly comes up as a liability at 3B. Bo will either be a 3B\2B, I imagine.

Well yeah it all hinges on the strength of the roster in a few years.
Whatever deployment that will get the best bats in the lineup on a regular basis.

 

[Discoverer]

Well yeah it all hinges on the strength of the roster in a few years.
Whatever deployment that will get the best bats in the lineup on a regular basis.

Or whatever will get the best players in the lineup. Playing someone at a position he can't field just to keep bats in the lineup is rarely a good idea.

I always tend to mentally drop positional expectations a level unless scouts rave about a player's defense. So I would side with zeke in assuming Bichette eventually moves to 3B/2B and Guerrero to LF/1B, and then if they are able to successfully stay at their current positions, that's just a bonus.

 

[Bad News Benning]

Or whatever will get the best players in the lineup. Playing someone at a position he can't field just to keep bats in the lineup is rarely a good idea.

I always tend to mentally drop positional expectations a level unless scouts rave about a player's defense. So I would side with zeke in assuming Bichette eventually moves to 3B/2B and Guerrero to LF/1B, and then if they are able to successfully stay at their current positions, that's just a bonus.

Well I think you can afford poor fielders if you have elite defenders at the important positions like the jays currently do.
Ideally you want to get the best hitters In the lineup and sub in defensive replacements in LF or 1b later in the game if needed. It's much easier to score early than try to comeback late against arsenal loaded bullpens.

 

[zeke]

Wow really? You don't see Vlad as a 3B or LF?

I mean he can play them now, but I think he's gonna get real large.

 

[HellasLEAF]

Is either Tulo or JD back today?

 

[Eyedea]

I mean...if Schwarber can "play" LF, I can't see why you couldn't stick Vlad there for his cost-control years. That's if he truly comes up as a liability at 3B. Bo will either be a 3B\2B, I imagine.

We all know he'd be a DH/1B in the AL or if there wasn't a Rizzo blocking him.

 

[zeke]

CF Pompey 24
RF Alford 22
LF Ramirez 22
3B Guerrero 18
SS Urena 21
2B Bichette 19
1B Pentecost 24
DH Tellez 22
C Jansen 22

UT Smith 24
OF Thomas 21
IF Vicuna 19
C McGuire 22

 

[zeke]

We all know he'd be a DH/1B in the AL or if there wasn't a Rizzo blocking him.

Can he hit enough to DH?

 

[one77]

CF Pompey 24
RF Alford 22
LF Ramirez 22
3B Guerrero 18
SS Urena 21
2B Bichette 19
1B Pentecost 24
DH Tellez 22
C Jansen 22

UT Smith 24
OF Thomas 21
IF Vicuna 19
C McGuire 22

I see Bichette more likely to stay at SS and Urena to move to 2B.

What are you rankings for our pitching prospects?

 

[Eyedea]

Can he hit enough to DH?

Yes, unless you think his 137 PAs this year are indicative of his future performance. FWIW his contact rate has seen a noticeable increase and he's barely pulling the ball.

You have Tellez pencilled in as the Jays future DH and you don't think Schwarber can hit enough?

 

[Loosie]

 

[zeke]

Yes, unless you think his 137 PAs this year are indicative of his future performance. FWIW his contact rate has seen a noticeable increase and he's barely pulling the ball.

You have Tellez pencilled in as the Jays future DH and you don't think Schwarber can hit enough?

Well, Rowdy's a year ahead of where Schwarber was at, and doesn't seem to have Schwarber's strikeout issues or his reliance on babip. Rowdy hasn't shown Schwarber's power yet but I think it's in there, and he's less reliant on power to make him useful anyways.

But hey, rowdy might not make it either.

 

[Discoverer]

I see Bichette more likely to stay at SS and Urena to move to 2B.

Scouts would disagree on that front.

 

[Eyedea]

Well, Rowdy's a year ahead of where Schwarber was at, and doesn't seem to have Schwarber's strikeout issues or his reliance on babip. Rowdy hasn't shown Schwarber's power yet but I think it's in there, and he's less reliant on power to make him useful anyways.

But hey, rowdy might not make it either.

Well I guess Rowdy has a month to raise his wRC+ to 170 and get called up to the Jays, otherwise being "a year ahead" means, well, nothing.

 

[Discoverer]

Well, Rowdy's a year ahead of where Schwarber was at, and doesn't seem to have Schwarber's strikeout issues or his reliance on babip. Rowdy hasn't shown Schwarber's power yet but I think it's in there, and he's less reliant on power to make him useful anyways.

But hey, rowdy might not make it either.

It's always hard to compare age/level situations when there was a three-year age difference when they were drafted.

And Schwarber has a career 116 wRC+ with a .280 BABIP. It may have slightly inflated his minor league numbers (as it does with most top hitting prospects) but it hasn't in the majors.

If Rowdy can put up a 116 wRC+ leading up to his age-24 season, I think it will have been a successful start to his career.

 

[Diamond Joe Quimby]

CF Pompey 24
RF Alford 22
LF Ramirez 22
3B Guerrero 18
SS Urena 21
2B Bichette 19
1B Pentecost 24
DH Tellez 22
C Jansen 22

UT Smith 24
OF Thomas 21
IF Vicuna 19
C McGuire 22

Some of those guys are too far away to include. I've been playing with the "bridge team", as in the lesser prospects who will fill in until Vlad and Bo are ready.

C) Jansen; Backup: McGuire (Pentecost catches once per week as someone's personal C)
1b) Tellez; Backup: Leblebijian (Pentecost spots Rowdy in the field twice a week)
2b) Travis
3b) Gurriel Jr.; Backup: Leblebijian
SS) Urena (v. RHP), Leblebijian (v. LHP)
LF) Smith Jr. (v. RHP), Ramirez (v. LHP)
CF) Pompey
RF) Alford
DH) Pentecost (on days he's not C\1B), Tellez

Looks like the Indians . You can actually just plug those kids around Donaldson at 3B, Tulo at SS, and Pillar in CF tbh. There's your bridge to Vlad\Bo.

 

[Diamond Joe Quimby]

Let's not question the Schwarber.

 

[Kurtz]

Might be the ugliest lineup we've featured in many years.