Blue Jays Discussion: It's a bird, it's a plane, it's Kevin Pillar!

[zeke]

the cubs traded for/signed almost their entire roster. and while they're good they're actually not all that young, at least compared to their rep.

and i sure hope the stros and sox win enough to justify your faith in them.back to back alcs would be a nice start for them.

 

[stickty111]

Our farm system is in great shape for three reasons: Vlad Jr, Bichette and Alford. Those 3 guys have elite potential and are showing it so far this year (especially Vlad and Bichette. Those 2 have a crazy high ceiling)

AA was a great GM. Did what he needed to do and built a team that could have gone to the World Series two years in a row. Other than Dickey, I have ZERO problems with any of the trades he made. In fact, I wish we still had him as GM instead of this joke of a management team we have now.

The joke of a management that build a great contender in Cleveland? Yeah what a joke they are. This management team is way better than reputation guy AA. In fact I am so happy he is gone. Shapiro needs to clean up the mess left by the joke AA.
AA should be an actor. Only cares about how he looks on camera.

 

[zeke]

That still doesn't help the jays when most of them aren't close to contributing at the major league level. There was a huge gap left at the top of the farm system when AA left and the players emerging now are still a year or two away. We needed these players last year and this year but the failure to develop position players between 2011-2015 is starting to bite the organization in the ass. When you have an aging roster with no prospect depth at the upper levels there is a very small margin for error as we are seeing this year.

that "huge gap" is going to be less than a year between back to back alcs and the next crop of kids making it.

 

[zeke]

The joke of a management that build a great contender in Cleveland? Yeah what a joke they are. This management team is way better than reputation guy AA. In fact I am so happy he is gone. Shapiro needs to clean up the mess left by the joke AA.
AA should be an actor. Only cares about how he looks on camera.

that team turned into a contender when they fired the tippytoers and hired management that was willing to make some ballsy moves

 

[Discoverer]

The back-and-forth between the "AA was the best and Shapiro is ruining everything!" and the "AA ruined everything and Shapiro is here to save the day!" factions continues to be quite possibly the dumbest thing about Blue Jays fans.

Everyone on both sides is just blindly defending/attacking everything based on their pre-determined view of each guy. It's really, really stupid.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

that team turned into a contender when they fired the tippytoers and hired management that was willing to make some ballsy moves

Who did they fire again?

 

[Diamond Joe Quimby]

I don’t think there's a system in baseball that has three talents like vladdy alford and Bichette killing it like this, and there's a ton of depth going down at least 15 strong.

The Dodgers: Carlos Rincon (A), Edwin Rios (AA), and Cody Bellinger (AAA)

And that's after literally 2 seconds of looking on my iPhone while in a meeting. I imagine there's far far more systems with the same.

 

[Discoverer]

that team turned into a contender when they fired the tippytoers and hired management that was willing to make some ballsy moves

Yeah, they weren't a contender based on Kipnis and Lindor and Kluber and Santana and Carrasco and Salazar and Tomlin and Bauer and Ramirez and Shaw and Gomes and Naquin and Chissenhall. It was all Andrew Miller and the rest of the new group's big, ballsy moves like going all-in on Napoli and Rajai Davis.

 

[metafour]

the cubs traded for/signed almost their entire roster. and while they're good they're actually not all that young, at least compared to their rep.

The Cubs could sign all those players because they unloaded salary and had a blank slate payroll wise. They acquired Russell by acting like sellers and dumping Samardzjia/Hammels (like we could have). They bought low on a struggling Rizzo by trading what was at the time a Top 100 prospect (Cashner); again using their prospect pool smartly to acquire young talent. They sold high on Scott Feldman and got lucky as **** by acquiring a struggling Jake Arrieta, again this was a "sell" move.

We could have signed players too if not for the fact that we had Buehrle/Reyes/Dickey alone making some $55-60 million a year.

 

[metafour]

that team turned into a contender when they fired the tippytoers and hired management that was willing to make some ballsy moves

The amount of ***** you make up in order to defend AA is mind-boggling. Not only did they not fire anyone, they didn't hire any of their current guys either. In fact their entire current front office is pretty much guys that Shapiro molded with his bare hands. And LOL at the "ballsy moves"...what, trading for one reliever and Rajai Davis? Craaaazy!

 

[metafour]

Jesse Sanchez just revealed his Top 30 IDA list. RHP Eric Pardinho and SS/3B Miguel Hiraldo, both expected to sign with the Jays, are ranked #5 and #17 respectively.

http://m.mlb.com/prospects/2017/?list=int

 

[Walshy7]

Jesse Sanchez just revealed his Top 30 IDA list. RHP Eric Pardinho and SS/3B Miguel Hiraldo, both expected to sign with the Jays, are ranked #5 and #17 respectively.

http://m.mlb.com/prospects/2017/?list=int

where does it say both players are expected to sign with jays? not doubting you I don't see it on the link.


edit: what an idiot it says right there in their profiles, my bad

 

[stickty111]

The amount of ***** you make up in order to defend AA is mind-boggling. Not only did they not fire anyone, they didn't hire any of their current guys either. In fact their entire current front office is pretty much guys that Shapiro molded with his bare hands. And LOL at the "ballsy moves"...what, trading for one reliever and Rajai Davis? Craaaazy!

Yup a lot of core on the team was brought by Shapiro that he developed into a legitimate contender.
On the other hand, AA's core is busy being one of the worst teams in the league.
It would be nice if we had good management from the start, and didnt have to deal with AA

 

[Discoverer]

Yup a lot of core on the team was brought by Shapiro that he developed into a legitimate contender.
On the other hand, AA's core is busy being one of the worst teams in the league.
It would be nice if we had good management from the start, and didnt have to deal with AA

"AA's core" is on the DL.

 

[Walshy7]

how can we claim a guy 'designated for assignment' and immediately option him to buffalo? why didn't Oakland just option him. Is it a case of Oakland didn't want him in the organization anymore at all? because that cant be a good sign

 

[Discoverer]

how can we claim a guy 'designated for assignment' and immediately option him to buffalo? why didn't Oakland just option him. Is it a case of Oakland didn't want him in the organization anymore at all? because that cant be a good sign

The A's could have just optioned him to the minors, but that only would have opened a spot on the 25-man roster. They presumably wanted to open up 40-man spot, so they had to designate him for assignment.

 

[Walshy7]

The A's could have just optioned him to the minors, but that only would have opened a spot on the 25-man roster. They presumably wanted to open up 40-man spot, so they had to designate him for assignment.

thank you sir

 

[Morgs]

Biagini starting... hm.

 

[Morgs]

Judge has a 242 wRC+, that's insane.

If you had him in fantasy, would you sell high on him now or let it ride out the rest of the season knowing he can't keep up this month.

 

[Diamond Joe Quimby]

Biagini starting... hm.

Bullpen day. 3-4 IP I imagine.

 

[theaub]

Judge has a 242 wRC+, that's insane.

If you had him in fantasy, would you sell high on him now or let it ride out the rest of the season knowing he can't keep up this month.

As always, depends on what you can get.

If you find someone who thinks that a 242 wRC+ is sustainable, then its time to eat. If everyone's a bit more levelled then go with what you believe in.

 

[hockeywiz542]

 

[zeke]

bolsinger might suck too but he's a better bet than latos.

 

[The Nemesis]

Not really a surprise on Latos. He'd been mostly terrible.


For the incoming:

Valdez looks like purely AAA depth. He's pretty much a career AAA guy at this point. Soft-tossing pitch-to-contact guy with two pitches (sub-90s fastball, plus change, occasional curve/slider). Probably not here for any Toronto innings, just to free up pen flexibility in Buffalo if we start having to stream guys up and down (or, worst case, he just takes Barnes' slot albeit not as a lefty)

Ramirez is a fastball/slider reliever. low/mid 90s velo, big big strikeout #s, seems to be the victim of a year-and-a-bit of bad luck and a notable (but not necessarily permanent) dip in control and some lost velocity due to injuries. He was a strong member of the Cubs pen and a 7th/8th inning guy just a few years ago, so it's a worthwhile lottery ticket.

 

[zeke]

Judge has a 242 wRC+, that's insane.

If you had him in fantasy, would you sell high on him now or let it ride out the rest of the season knowing he can't keep up this month.

sell sell sell.