It has been ten years since the Steckel on Crosby hit.

[PatriceBergeronFan]

And Marchand ain’t?

I already acknowledged him, yet you cited others in error.

 

[The Moose is Loose]

Whats so laughable about that? I feel like people who have actually played decently high level hockey have insight to offer to these boards.

I've been very surprised to hear how many of these board members can barely even skate.

 

[Gurglesons]

I already acknowledged him, yet you cited others in error.

Cited other in error. I suggest studying the same type of self reflection you think Cooke should.

 

[JoVel]

Whats so laughable about that? I feel like people who have actually played decently high level hockey have insight to offer to these boards.

What kind of insight is 'I have played hockey at a high level'? To me that's just something you pull off when you don't have any arguments to support your opinion.

 

[The Moose is Loose]

What kind of insight is 'I have played hockey at a high level'? To me that's just something you pull off when you don't have any arguments to support your opinion.

I mean it wasn't me who said it, but I agree.

A NHL player isn't that oblivious. A Beer league guy may not be use to using his peripheral vision all the time and accidentally run in someone that manner but to get to the NHL your movements are so finely tuned you can't throw a shoulder into a guy and not mean to do it. Yeah Steckel may not have been going for a headshot but to say it was completely accidental is farfetched.

That's something that an experienced player would know, that a fan might not.

 

[AllAlphas]

Gotta agree with the OP, Crosby's career will certainly be defined by this fairly innocuous looking collision and his inability to stay healthy over the course of his time in the NHL.
Just think of how dominant he could have been in a softer league like the KHL or SEL.
Real shame since he was pretty good at times...

 

[danpantz]

Yes, but if you want to play dumb that Crosby missing nearly two years of consistent play having effect on how concussions were viewed feel free.

I agree with you that they changed the concussion protocol after this hit. But the blindside headshot rule was introduced beforehand.

 

[PuckThumper11]

It's awful that it happened. You never know how much more Crosby could have done. We'll never know but I've enjoyed watching what he has done which has been plenty. He's definitely battled through adversity and shown his mettle. Hoping for a great season for Crosby and the Pens!

 

[Voight]

I have no idea how Cooke has such a lack of integrity and honor to look himself in the mirror after that career. Piece of intent to injure filth.

Its amazing that the same guy who complained that players were trying to take him out and retired because he didn't like it also employed Cooke for a number of years.

 

[Voight]

That hit used to happen all the time, this was just the moment they decided to start cracking down on it.

Richards on Booth


Richards on Petrovicky


Armstrong on Letowski

IIRC the Cooke hit was the final nail in the coffin. A lot of serious discussions happened after that hit.

 

[Eisen]

Why is Crosby in front of him?
Did Steckels path change direction or did Crosbys?

Its like saying if you're driving and someone cuts you off in your lane not looking where they're going, sides wipes you and they crash into the wall, somehow I'm at fault?

You would probably both be at fault. One for breaking order, the other for not driving defensively enough.

 

[Guided by Veseys]

To me Sid always seemed a little less sharp in interviews after his return from the Hedman hit. Just taking longer to respond to questions and not exactly right in the moment.
I could be imaging it but I dunno, I just felt he was more focused before those events. it almost seemed like he was turning the puck over more from that point as well, poor passing decisions.
If any of that is actually correct, Doesn’t necessarily mean brain damage, could just be mild depression or something; it was a real shift to his career and lifestyle I’m sure. Maybe he will write about it in the players tribune someday.

 

[Chips]

That was pretty pedestrian contact, doesn’t look clearly anything. People made a bigger deal because it was Crosby. Not to say good rule changes didn’t come of it

In any case, bigger more interesting things happened intentionally between those two teams. I’d forgotten that hit/contact.


Steckel wasn’t exactly “that guy”

 

[Il Stugotz]

Rule 48 on headshots was going into effect even if this didn’t happen. They were focused on lateral, blindside headshots where the hitter’s intentions are clear.

Yeah, Cooke/Savard is the most memorable, but there are dozens of other examples of that hit, just without the severe injury.

 

[TheImpatientPanther]

You would probably both be at fault. One for breaking order, the other for not driving defensively enough.

I've taken defensive driving courses for work and that's not correct. If someone is trying to overtake your lane, its up to them to speed up and safely take the lane with enough buffer room.

Same thing with a merge lane. You don't just rush out and make the onus on someone already in the lane to brake causing an accident/rear end collision behind you.

Look it up online.

 

[Butch 19]

& 10 years later, people are STILL trying to say it was intentional
.

In my beer league, EVERY crosscheck, head-shot and slash from me is intentional. Yet HFers continue to claim that many cheap shots are "unintentional."

Maybe I'm just a much better aim and many NHL players.

And I'm not a Crosby fan - I like seeing him get hit. But not with a cheap shot.

 

[Human]

I have no idea how Cooke has such a lack of integrity and honor to look himself in the mirror after that career. Piece of intent to injure filth.

I mean I agree, Matt Cooke was a pos. But let’s not pretend here how you have no idea how he’s looking in the mirror when your team employed Marchand or Chara...

 

[sr edler]

Crappy hit.

It's not even a hit. It's two players bumping into each other, colliding with each other. Even if Steckel sees Crosby turning there, which he probably did at the last moment, he has absolutely zero obligation whatsoever jumping out of his way there. Zero. He's going in a straight line after the play, Crosby's not. But he actually did it a bit anyways, turn away a bit from Crosby. Crosby should have paid more attention to his surroundings there. If this was a regular player, no one would remember it except perhaps next of kin.

Technically it's probably even an interference penalty on Crosby because he's turning into Steckel blocking his straight line skating path.

I was recently on the Kariya/Suter cheap shot YT video and people in the comment section there are calling it a "hit" too. A stand still cross-check in someone's face is also not a "hit" but a stand still cross-check in someone's face. I've no idea why people calls everything a "hit" these days. Two players bumping into each other = "hit". Stand still cross-check in someone's face = "hit". What's next, tripping and slashing are also "hits"?

 

[MarkusKetterer]

Wrong. It was this horrible act by Cooke that made the league start their crackdown.

If he didn’t get Savard’s head and only hit through his body, this woulda been seen as a huge hit.

Also I’m sure the plastic cap on the shoulder pads didn’t help Savard any either.

 

[sr edler]

If he didn’t get Savard’s head and only hit through his body, this woulda been seen as a huge hit.

No it wouldn't have because Cooke doesn't come in with any speed or force there. It's barely even a hit, he just clips the guy. A hit is a bodycheck. The only way that act can do any sort of actual damage is if he clips his head, which he did.

 

[MarkusKetterer]

No it wouldn't have because Cooke doesn't come in with any speed or force there. It's barely even a hit, he just clips the guy. A hit is a bodycheck. The only way that act can do any sort of actual damage is if he clips his head, which he did.

Cooke is definitely throwing a check there. It’s not like Steckel on Crosby.

Not every hit has to be McLaren on Letowski to be considered a hit.

 

[BlueDream]

That’s an absolutely nothing play and it doesn’t define anything, move on.

 

[DearDiary]

I have no idea how Cooke has such a lack of integrity and honor to look himself in the mirror after that career. Piece of intent to injure filth.

That was a clean hit by league rules at the time

 

[Tryblot]

In my beer league, EVERY crosscheck, head-shot and slash from me is intentional. Yet HFers continue to claim that many cheap shots are "unintentional."

Maybe I'm just a much better aim and many NHL players.

And I'm not a Crosby fan - I like seeing him get hit. But not with a cheap shot.

I remember playing and some guy turned right in front of me and my shoulder clipped his jaw extremely similar to what happened to crosby. It was a pickup and I had never had a single issue with the guy so it was obviously completely accidental. Sometimes in a fast games stuff happens. Not everything is done in with malicious intent.

 

[HugoSimon]

lol you mean to tell me you’ve never been run into, gone right through them and kept moving? Because I definitely have, that shit didn’t knock me down and I have a puck to go get, I’m not going to stand around looking at everyone until I’m sure they know it was an accident

Problem is you were never a pro athlete.

I'd obviously do the same. The question is, will a pro have the reflexes or will he not?

Just spit balling, but it looks to me like the guy wasn't going for him, but wasn't stopping for him either.

It wasn't intentional but it absolutely was negligent in my ignorant opinion.