Isles Prospect Talk 2020-21 Pt. II

[Thrasymachus]

The times I have watched Holmstrom in bridgeport he seems an okay player with a good shot and decent speed, but there's nothing really fancy about him. He doesn't have any standout features but he does seem to get a lot of ice time and is noticeable out there..

he has future Bailey / MDC written all over him. Probably wont be a bad player but not what we hoped for

 

[Shiba]

he has future Bailey / MDC written all over him. Probably wont be a bad player but not what we hoped for

 

[Chapin Landvogt]

Personally, from what I've seen of Holmstrom on several fronts (AHL, Swedish juniors, U18 und U20), I think he could end up being a Conor Brown type. That's about the best comparable I've seen when taking his style, size, and tendencies into account.

And hey, that wouldn't be a bad thing at all. There's room for that on a Lamoriello-constructed team.

 

[steveat]

Ye

I know this has been mentioned before (did you bring up the Pastrnak comparison?), but we should denote that Pastrnak had 28 points in 25 AHL games as a rookie before being brought up and adding 27 points in 46 NHL games.

It's hard to think he's all that Pastrnakesque when talking about a guy who has been one of the NHL's most oustanding young players the past 5-6 years.

Yep, I mentioned he was like Pasternak. It took pasta 2 years I believe to step in and that was because he was pushed off the puck too much. I'm thinking it's a strength thing with Holmstrom and I don't think we can really tell where he is in his development only because of covid. I guess we have to wait and see, but unless we unload a lot of deadweight ..which I think we will the season after next..I don't think anything will happen for this coming year, but I can see him coming up for a longer look the following season.

 

[Chapin Landvogt]

Ye


Yep, I mentioned he was like Pasternak. It took pasta 2 years I believe to step in and that was because he was pushed off the puck too much. I'm thinking it's a strength thing with Holmstrom and I don't think we can really tell where he is in his development only because of covid. I guess we have to wait and see, but unless we unload a lot of deadweight ..which I think we will the season after next..I don't think anything will happen for this coming year, but I can see him coming up for a longer look the following season.

It would naturally be pure porn if Holmstrom could even end up being a poor man's Pastrnak, but the bit about two years for Pasta isn't exactly correct.

Pastrnak was quite the surprise, because he went from the draft to the AHL to the NHL within like 6 months.
David Pastrnak at eliteprospects.com

He was drafted in 2014 and his AHL/NHL season was already the 14-15 season.

He's basically been a phenom.

 

[danteipp]

As long as he can stay healthy, add weight and strength, I could see Holmstrom playing on a third line with JGP and Wahlstrom late next season, but more likely the following year.

It could make for a very interesting mix in terms of talents and skills.

Unless, of course, Wahlstrom has ideally moved into the top-six. Then maybe Bailey is the RW or the Isles play Holmstrom at RW with Beau as the LW and JGP at C.

But there should be a spot for Holmstrom in the top-9, if only because he seems adept at setting up scoring opportunities for other players.

 

[saintunspecified]

He's basically been a phenom.

I remember there was a 'Prospect camp standout' thread the year he was drafted, where posters reported Bruins staff being absolutely blown away by him, saying that he's WAY more developed than they had even hoped to think, or something like that. It was somehow more specific than the ordinary prospect camp hype, and it turned out to be completely accurate. And, to be clear, they were talking about the development of his game & mental maturity.

 

[The Winter Soldier]

With no draft thread yet in the forum, Right now the Isles have a projected mid 50's pick in the 2nd rd. They have all their other picks. Barring a trade. Will be interesting what the scouts can find with the pick. Just scanning the names on Mckenzie's mid rankings from 50-60, 7 out of 10 players are D men. Interesting.

 

[Chapin Landvogt]

With no draft thread yet in the forum, Right now the Isles have a projected mid 50's pick in the 2nd rd. They have all their other picks. Barring a trade. Will be interesting what the scouts can find with the pick. Just scanning the names on Mckenzie's mid rankings from 50-60, 7 out of 10 players are D men. Interesting.

I'm gonna tip on that pick being a young man NONE of us have on the radar.

And he could very well be Swedish.

 

[The Winter Soldier]

I'm gonna tip on that pick being a young man NONE of us have on the radar.

And he could very well be Swedish.

Please not again.

 

[Shiba]

With no draft thread yet in the forum, Right now the Isles have a projected mid 50's pick in the 2nd rd. They have all their other picks. Barring a trade. Will be interesting what the scouts can find with the pick. Just scanning the names on Mckenzie's mid rankings from 50-60, 7 out of 10 players are D men. Interesting.

With the way our prospect pool is setup, I'd just go for the highest skilled offensive forward on the board. We really could use an injection of skill and offense into our prospect pool.

 

[The Winter Soldier]

With the way our prospect pool is setup, I'd just go for the highest skilled offensive forward on the board. We really could use an injection of skill and offense into our prospect pool.

I haven't done any work on the draft range we will fall into. But here may be a few that may fit the profile.
Dylan Duke at eliteprospects.com

Wyatt Johnston at eliteprospects.com

Ryder Korczak at eliteprospects.com

Tristan Broz at eliteprospects.com
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uf8EKRVD9Ug

 

[scott99]

The way you guys are talking about Holmstrom reminds me of sentiments before Barzal came in. Nobody was sure...they took a shot at a player that was injured before the draft....why does colorado want him in the Duchene trade...he doesn't seem overly flashy...does he even have talent....he came up for 2 games and botched it...is he even good...bah blah

Holstrom will be FINE. Again, he's very Pasternak-esque in his lay style...it's a question of strength, not talent.

Couldn’t be further from the truth. Barzal was rated as a top 5 pick a year prior to his draft. His injury made him slide. His talent level is 100 times better than Holmstrom could ever dream of possessing.

The only similarities between Holmstrom & Pastrnak are that they both play hockey and they are both from Europe. It ends there.

 

[Islesfan22]

Couldn’t be further from the truth. Barzal was rated as a top 5 pick a year prior to his draft. His injury made him slide. His talent level is 100 times better than Holmstrom could ever dream of possessing.

The only similarities between Holmstrom & Pastrnak are that they both play hockey and they are both from Europe. It ends there.

Well just to counter that argument Holmstrom was considered a first round pick before he got injured. After his injury he was projected as a second round pick. I know you follow the draft and read guides as do I most seasons but I haven’t since covid.

 

[Islesfan22]

With no draft thread yet in the forum, Right now the Isles have a projected mid 50's pick in the 2nd rd. They have all their other picks. Barring a trade. Will be interesting what the scouts can find with the pick. Just scanning the names on Mckenzie's mid rankings from 50-60, 7 out of 10 players are D men. Interesting.

This draft is more of a crap shoot then any other draft.

 

[The Real JT]

I'm gonna tip on that pick being a young man NONE of us have on the radar.

And he could very well be Swedish.

If not 100% Swedish then how about part Chinese, Jamaican, Jewish and Swedish?

Please not again.

 

[NC 1972]

With the way our prospect pool is setup, I'd just go for the highest skilled offensive forward on the board. We really could use an injection of skill and offense into our prospect pool.

Yes and throw in size with speed please.

 

[Bronson]

With the way our prospect pool is setup, I'd just go for the highest skilled offensive forward on the board. We really could use an injection of skill and offense into our prospect pool.

I think we should try and find someone who can replace Clutterbuck and Martin down the line. Go for leadership and intangibles.

 

[The Winter Soldier]

Just thinking about this. To me having seen a handful of BP games this season, Bolduc is the Isles best prospect in the Isles system currently. He has moved ahead of Holmstrom IMO. A very promising D man with length which the Isles love, and he has a great point shot. Wrist or Slapper. He just needs to understand reading the play better, which can be taught. I don't know if he will ever have defensive instincts like Pelech, but at worst he can be a left handed Mayfield but with a better shot. He has the makings of being a fine 2nd rd pick.

 

[Chapin Landvogt]

Just thinking about this. To me having seen a handful of BP games this season, Bolduc is the Isles best prospect in the Isles system currently. He has moved ahead of Holmstrom IMO. A very promising D man with length which the Isles love, and he has a great point shot. Wrist or Slapper. He just needs to understand reading the play better, which can be taught. I don't know if he will ever have defensive instincts like Pelech, but at worst he can be a left handed Mayfield but with a better shot. He has the makings of being a fine 2nd rd pick.

We have to hope he keeps taking reps and getting better and better, because when Leddy's contract expires, it's likely Bolduc or Salo who step in.

Our cap is already tight. We'll have to start insourcing pretty soon.

 

[Shiba]

I see Bolduc replacing Leddy eventually, and Newkirk being the Cizikas replacement down the road.

 

[iggy]

I see Bolduc replacing Leddy eventually, and Newkirk being the Cizikas replacement down the road.

Would rather Newkirk be Clutterbuck replacement. Casey should retire an Islander.

 

[Shiba]

Would rather Newkirk be Clutterbuck replacement. Casey should retire an Islander.

I would love that as well, but there is a chance Cizikas gets an overpayment on the open market not worth matching.

 

[Chapin Landvogt]

Would rather Newkirk be Clutterbuck replacement. Casey should retire an Islander.

We're basically at the cap with Pelech, Beau, and Sorokin as RFAs.

Cizikas and Palmieri are UFAs.

Those of note, I should say.

These guys like Bolduc and Newkirk are far removed from the NHL, but hard decisions are coming. There's going to be no avoiding them.

The good news nowadays is that we have a team that's a family. And people want to play here. Once they have, they don't wanna leave.

And I'm pretty certain that a guy like Cizikas wants to be part of all of this. If I'm him, I don't want to be anywhere in the league other than on the ice with Martin and Clutterbuck.

Martin's already in the fold, so...

 

[crasherino]

We have to hope he keeps taking reps and getting better and better, because when Leddy's contract expires, it's likely Bolduc or Salo who step in.

Our cap is already tight. We'll have to start insourcing pretty soon.

Seems like Leddy will be the one who's left unprotected. Bolduc or Salo may get the chance to show their chops quicker than previously thought. Hopefully someone of the Bolduc, Salo, Wotherspoon, MVS group shows that they're ready for the big time earlier than anticipated. Seems like Aho's shot has come and gone.