Eklund Rumor: Isles and Yotes major swap of prospects?

[boredmale]

You can just say "I'm not at all familiar with the players being discussed" and save us the time.

The return for Hanzal at the deadline will be much closer to Vermette(a 1 year playoff rental) then Yandle(a 2 year trade), if you don't understand that then maybe you should say I am not familar with how trades work

 

[CREW99AW]

How much value do you think a 23 year old that has yet to really hit his stride is worth? More importantly, do you understand how valuable Hanzal is?

Either way, the only "disposable" top 4 defender the Coyotes have is Michael Stone. DeAngelo has played well, as well as Schenn, plus there's Michalek on the right as the 7th D, so Stone could theoretically be traded.

Hanzal is a ufa in 10 months. Isles are not trading 23 yr old Strome to rent Hanzal.
Let"s move past that silliness.


Press reported in Nov 2015 and in May 2016, that Snow got and rejected trade attempts from other Gms for Strome, who in 2 full nhl seasons has had 1 strong season and 1 crappy season.

And with Leddy,Hamonic,Boychuk,CDH, Hickey at the nhl level and Pulock/Pelech nhl ready.....no interest in moving Strome for a top 4.

 

[Strait2thecup]

Just take a look at the Islanders prospects and take a look at the Canucks prospects then come back and talk to me. Glad Garth Snow isn't our GM

Interesting post as the islanders have a way better team than the canucks and way better prospect pool enjoy benning!

 

[Felix Unger]

Hanzal is a ufa in 10 months. Isles are not trading 23 yr old Strome to rent Hanzal.
Let"s move past that silliness.

If NYI were shopping Strome now, Strome's age is irrelevant. Because if they're thinking of dealing him, they're thinking of exposing him next summer. And then Strome will end up a Dessert Knife.

 

[Seph]

If NYI were shopping Strome now, Strome's age is irrelevant. Because if they're thinking of dealing him, they're thinking of exposing him next summer. And then Strome will end up a Dessert Knife.

That's not true at all. Trading a young player doesn't mean you have zero interest in them as a player, it simply means you have less interest in them than the asset being returned.

 

[Skinnyjimmy08]

If NYI were shopping Strome now, Strome's age is irrelevant. Because if they're thinking of dealing him, they're thinking of exposing him next summer. And then Strome will end up a Dessert Knife.

Im curious would strome make the cut as a guy NYI would protect? sure if he had an unreal year he would but what if he has a very underwhelming year?

Im conflicted what NYI should do... keep him and hope he excels or trade him now while stock is still pretty high... cause IMO there is a chance he has a quiet year in NYI

Love the guy and think there is potential for him to be real good, but im not completely sure he will hit that potential

 

[hb6947]

Theoretically, Strome for Stone would seem like the most likely trade. could also include more pieces or another Isles trade that would follow.

 

[CREW99AW]

Theoretically, Strome for Stone would seem like the most likely trade. could also include more pieces or another Isles trade that would follow.

I realize looking at a trade from both sides is a stretch and often overlooked on HF, but the isles don"improve moving 23 yr old Strome for a 2nd pairing D, when their blueline is the strength of their team.

TheThe question marks for this current group is will there be consistent goal scoring and do they move one of their 3 goalies.

 

[Strait2thecup]

Theoretically, Strome for Stone would seem like the most likely trade. could also include more pieces or another Isles trade that would follow.

That would be an absolutely awful trade for NYI. Stone is a fine Dman but I think strome has more value therefore trading for a less valuable asset to make another trade doesnt make sense

 

[Felix Unger]

That's not true at all. Trading a young player doesn't mean you have zero interest in them as a player, it simply means you have less interest in them than the asset being returned.

Yeah, that's all theoretical. The reality is that there's going to be a flood of talent hitting the market and that's really going to depress the value of middling non-draft exempt young players, because they're unlikely to be in demand by teams looking to add for the playoffs.

I don't think it's worthwhile to contemplate trading a guy like Strome. NYI need him to perform, and if he doesn't they'll have to go out looking for a middle six center. In that happens, Strome won't be part of the value going back the other way because nobody will want him.

If they're looking to trade Strome now, weeks after he signed a contract, pretty much everyone will knows that NYI have given up on him.

 

[CREW99AW]

If NYI were shopping Strome now, Strome's age is irrelevant. Because if they're thinking of dealing him, they're thinking of exposing him next summer. And then Strome will end up a Dessert Knife.

Please post a link from ANYONE credible that Strome is beibg shopped.

Or a link that the isles want to leave him exposed at the upcoming expansion draft.

 

[Felix Unger]

Im curious would strome make the cut as a guy NYI would protect? sure if he had an unreal year he would but what if he has a very underwhelming year?

I mean, that depends on how the rest of the group does. But if Strome is underwhelming, and Pulock and de Haan are good, you protect the extra d-men. Pretty simple. NYI have forwards coming up, as you know.

 

[Felix Unger]

Please post a link from ANYONE credible that Strome is beibg shopped.

Crew, man, I said if.

I mean, do I need to post links indicating that Strome's behind now sports multiple scorch marks? Maybe he can use them to find his way to removing his head from it. And I say this, of course, with love. I don't really know what's happened to Strome's decision making. I raved about the kid the year before last. But he's turned the puck over way too much this preseason.

 

[Skinnyjimmy08]

I mean, that depends on how the rest of the group does. But if Strome is underwhelming, and Pulock and de Haan are good, you protect the extra d-men. Pretty simple. NYI have forwards coming up, as you know.

ya I just get nervous losing him to Vegas... cause Strome would be a prime target for them IMO... oh well, that's the way the cookie crumbles I guess

 

[Seph]

Yeah, that's all theoretical. The reality is that there's going to be a flood of talent hitting the market and that's really going to depress the value of middling non-draft exempt young players, because they're unlikely to be in demand by teams looking to add for the playoffs.

I don't think it's worthwhile to contemplate trading a guy like Strome. NYI need him to perform, and if he doesn't they'll have to go out looking for a middle six center. In that happens, Strome won't be part of the value going back the other way because nobody will want him.

If they're looking to trade Strome now, weeks after he signed a contract, pretty much everyone will knows that NYI have given up on him.

What? How is that theoretical? If someone offers you an asset you want more than the asset they want in return, you at least consider making that swap -- even if you rather like the asset you're giving up. That's like, economics 101.

Also, why would there be a flood of middle six players hitting the market? If anything, demand will go up, since 30 teams are going to be losing a player, and probably at least half of those will be middle six forwards.

 

[SLAPSHOT723]

Just take a look at the Islanders prospects and take a look at the Canucks prospects then come back and talk to me. Glad Garth Snow isn't our GM

You're embarrassing yourself.

 

[CodeE]

Just take a look at the Islanders prospects and take a look at the Canucks prospects then come back and talk to me. Glad Garth Snow isn't our GM

Well Jim Benning is unquestionably the greatest manager in all of sports so I can see why you're glad you have him over Snow. Come to think of it, I can't recall a single time anybody has criticized a move Benning made.

 

[CREW99AW]

Crew, man, I said if.

I mean, do I need to post links indicating that Strome's behind now sports multiple scorch marks? Maybe he can use them to find his way to removing his head from it. And I say this, of course, with love. I don't really know what's happened to Strome's decision making. I raved about the kid the year before last. But he's turned the puck over way too much this preseason.

At 23 he is showing inconsistency.Not giving up on a 23 yr old with his upside because of consistency issues.
Not ragging on you, but fans are just way too impatient , especially when a franchise has a few more promising prospects making their way through the system, the way tne isles do with 19/20 yr olds Barzal,Beauviller,JHS and MDC.

 

[SLAPSHOT723]

Well Jim Benning is unquestionably the greatest manager in all of sports so I can see why you're glad you have him over Snow. Come to think of it, I can't recall a single time anybody has criticized a move Benning made.

That's definitely true. Great Benning acquisitions like Markus Granlund, Linden Vey, Andrey Pedan, and Adam Clendening will make the Canucks contenders for years to come.

 

[Felix Unger]

Also, why would there be a flood of middle six players hitting the market?

Because they're not good enough to protect while being good enough for an expansion team to snap up. So GM's are motivated to trade them in order to not lose an asset for nothing. Seems like Ryan Strome fits that bill, at least right now.

Are you implying that a more rational strategy is to keep players like that as bait in order to protect other players (perhaps veterans) one might have to expose? I suggested that strategy. Seems to me that GM's are more reactive, generally, because they have more to lose.

 

[Felix Unger]

At 23 he is showing inconsistency.Not giving up on a 23 yr old with his upside because of consistency issues.
Not ragging on you, but fans are just way too impatient , especially when a franchise has a few more promising prospects making their way through the system, the way tne isles do with 19/20 yr olds Barzal,Beauviller,JHS and MDC.

The thing is that Strome needs to make good decisions. He can't turn over the puck. He's neither strong enough, fast enough, nor good enough defensively to cover up for bad decisions leading to turnovers.

 

[CREW99AW]

The thing is that Strome needs to make good decisions. He can't turn over the puck. He's neither strong enough, fast enough, nor good enough defensively to cover up for bad decisions leading to turnovers.

Strome is the same youngster who had 50 pts 2 seasons ago. It is not as if he has never shown himself capable of making good decisions and putting up points in the nhl.

 

[Seph]

Because they're not good enough to protect while being good enough for an expansion team to snap up. So GM's are motivated to trade them in order to not lose an asset for nothing. Seems like Ryan Strome fits that bill, at least right now.

Are you implying that a more rational strategy is to keep players like that as bait in order to protect other players (perhaps veterans) one might have to expose? I suggested that strategy. Seems to me that GM's are more reactive, generally, because they have more to lose.

GMs know they're going to lose a player in the expansion draft, one way or another. I think they will be more inclined to hold onto depth players so that they can more easily internally replace whoever they lose. If you trade away a middle six guy and then you lose another to the expansion, you now have two middle six guys to replace instead of one.

 

[Felix Unger]

GMs know they're going to lose a player in the expansion draft, one way or another. I think they will be more inclined to hold onto depth players so that they can more easily internally replace whoever they lose. If you trade away a middle six guy and then you lose another to the expansion, you now have two middle six guys to replace instead of one.

I think it will be a playoff team/non playoff team thing. Non-playoff teams are going to try to trade their middling young vets. Playoff teams won't. If Strome doesn't play well, NYI might not be a playoff team. That's the part that scares me.

 

[Seph]

I think it will be a playoff team/non playoff team thing. Non-playoff teams are going to try to trade their middling young vets. Playoff teams won't. If Strome doesn't play well, NYI might not be a playoff team. That's the part that scares me.

I don't see it that way at all. Bubble teams won't want to hurt their chances at still making the playoffs or building towards becoming contenders, and rebuilding teams are the kind that trade away middle six guys that aren't part of their rebuild at the deadline anyway. Rebuilding teams also don't have a lot of guys they need to protect, and will need someone to expose in order to meet the requirements.