Is this leafs team likeable?

[member 300185]

Okay.
We disagree.
All good.
Let's take your side.
Barrie and Kerfoot?
Ugh.
Heart and Skill.
Not with those two.
I would have kept Kadri or find a more contained Kadri.

It was a terrible trade. But, a trade that needed to happen, just not with those 2 jokers.

 

[FraumBallard]

Why? It's a stupid question. I would have asked, do you have a real question for me?

Seems to me it was a question phrased politely about their whole persona as a Team.
Aside From Muzzin/Clifford/Hyman/Rielly we have Zero Heart/Character/Grit/Toughnes.
Keefe/Dubas/Shanahan should have to Try to answer that multiple times a day.
Keefe gave a terrible answer because there is no other.

 

[FraumBallard]

It was a terrible trade. But, a trade that needed to happen, just not with those 2 jokers.

Reasonable take.
Disagree but I get your point.

 

[yubbers]

Matthew's is great but nowhere near ready to be Captain.
Rielly is the Captain.

I like Reilly. But he's not that guy imho.

 

[Al14]

Kadri is that player.
He needed help.
All he had was a collection of Dubas pretty boys.
Not his fault.
Sticking up for your teammates is ALWAYS a good thing.
We miss Kadri badly.
Terrible Short Sighted Trade.
Know nothing spreadsheet guy pretending to run the show.
Embarrassing.

If Kadri WAS THAT PLAYER he sure didn't SHOW the SMART part. All heart, TOO MUCH STUPID!

And yes, 2 playoff series in a row, our Leafs missed Kadri! He can't do that to our Leafs again.

Sure, the trade with the Avs looks bad, but, just remember, Kadri nixed a likely better trade that Dubas arranged with Calgary!

 

[axlrose87]

We talked about how well liked this team was two years ago.
Has anything changed?
Do fans like this team?
The players?
The management?

Sure is easy to be frustrated with this team all the time

 

[ottomaddox]

A lot of the players are likeable, but now I cannot stand the sight of Shanny, Dubas, and Keefe. Especially Keefe. He looks like a guy that gets picked on in Grade School and throughout his life.

 

[axlrose87]

A lot of the players are likeable, but now I cannot stand the sight of Shanny, Dubas, and Keefe. Especially Keefe. He looks like a guy that gets picked on in Grade School and throughout his life.

Hahahahahaha

 

[Mitch Matthews]

This team is unplugged, disengaged, passive and and seem disinterested. Especially #34 and #16. That's my answer

 

[MSZ]

The most unlikeable Leafs team of all time.

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

It’s going to be a long while before I can say I “like” this team again.

 

[Man Bear Pig]

You know it's bad when you almost want back those Ron Wilson teams. They stunk but man did they work their ass off, similar to what we see with Ottawa.

 

[Dale Gribble]

Nope.
Too soft, and don't seem to have the heart nor desire to make sacrifices during the playoffs. The Country Club of the Leafs was supposed to end a while ago, but it seems to have stuck around. It starts at the top, when you have weak leaders at the top, the poop rolls down and affects the whole team.

 

[RoadWarrior]

There's a handful of players that I like on the Team.

Muzzin, Hyman, Rielly, Campbell, Mikheyev, Spezza.

For the most part however this team is very unlikeable and that includes the management team and coach.

 

[forecheck]

Shannahan - Dislike
Dubas - Dislike - Unqualified
Keefe - Unqualified
Marner - Dislike-


Start with getting rid of these guys with a new leader and vision please

 

[MSZ]

You know it's bad when you almost want back those Ron Wilson teams. They stunk but man did they work their ass off, similar to what we see with Ottawa.

I actually liked the Blake-Moore line a lot.

 

[joeyjojojrshabadoo]

Not really

 

[HamiltonNHL]

Marner and Matthews stole 2M AAV each from teammates to be on a perpetually losing team. They are losers.

Dubas signed the deals and he needs a demotion.

The damage is done, the rebuild is a failure.

Shanny didn't create a winning culture, he needs to go.

 

[Brobust]

I think fanbase is extremely unlikable as well.

 

[Mancunian]

I think fanbase is extremely unlikable as well.

Thanks, Paul. Say hi to Mitch for us.

 

[Mancunian]

Marner and Matthews stole 2M AAV each from teammates to be on a perpetually losing team. They are losers.

Dubas signed the deals and he needs a demotion.

The damage is done, the rebuild is a failure.

Shanny didn't create a winning culture, he needs to go.

It would have been great to see how Lou handled those contracts. I think we would have seen Nylander sit out the year, and Marner sign for closer to 7m on a shorter, prove it deal, and Matthews at a similar deal to what he is at now because of the comparison to the McDavid contract.

 

[Boxscore]

This current team is polarizing -- I'll say that. Overall, yes, they are likeable, but they are also frustrating. However, the biggest issues are:

1. Our roster is flawed. Half our cap is tied up in 4 finesse forwards -- so far it's proven to be impossible to win anything significant with that model. This isn't on the players, it's on the management.

2. Our best young players still don't demonstrate that they hate losing. There's a huge difference between "wanting to win" and "hating to lose." I think our players want to win, but some of them still don't hate to lose. I believe the young kids think they still have their entire careers ahead of them and don't have a sense of urgency. To me, a sign of this was the way they lost puck battles, lacked hustle at times, and weren't emotionally prepared to play with fire.

It will wake one significant move that rebalances the team, followed by a couple of strategic depth additions, more maturity, and perhaps a new coach, to make the Leafs a beloved team. Right now they are polarizing.

 

[axlrose87]

This current team is polarizing -- I'll say that. Overall, yes, they are likeable, but they are also frustrating. However, the biggest issues are:

1. Our roster is flawed. Half our cap is tied up in 4 finesse forwards -- so far it's proven to be impossible to win anything significant with that model. This isn't on the players, it's on the management.

2. Our best young players still don't demonstrate that they hate losing. There's a huge difference between "wanting to win" and "hating to lose." I think our players want to win, but some of them still don't hate to lose. I believe the young kids think they still have their entire careers ahead of them and don't have a sense of urgency. To me, a sign of this was the way they lost puck battles, lacked hustle at times, and weren't emotionally prepared to play with fire.

It will wake one significant move that rebalances the team, followed by a couple of strategic depth additions, more maturity, and perhaps a new coach, to make the Leafs a beloved team. Right now they are polarizing.

Very good post. Completely agree.
We just need the star players to care as much as the fans.

 

[Boxscore]

Very good post. Completely agree.
We just need the star players to care as much as the fans.

I think they care, but I don't think they are to the point where they absolutely hate losing. Unfortunately, some players just don't have that in their DNA -- we need to see if Matthews, Marner, Nylander and Rielly do. I believe Tavares does, but that's not enough, you need the entire core tugging on the same rope.

I also think we need our President, GM and Coach to stop being cheerleaders and start establishing some non-negotiables. These players have received everything they've asked for without resistance -- money, opportunity, recognition, praise, and work-life balance. They might need to be reigned in a little bit.

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

I like Reilly. But he's not that guy imho.

If you didn't know that they just blew a 3-1 lead...you would never be able to tell from Reilly's interview. He seemed like he was talking about losing to the Sens in Feb. Not overly concerned about it. He played pretty well...so I am not saying he was responsible...but man...be a little embarrassed for your team.