Is Sheldon Keefe The Issue?

[Beaumaris]

"Peace in our time" was Neville Chamberlin in 1938. Benjamin Disraeli basically built the Tory party and expanded the British Empire. He was also a novelist and man of letters. But for sure, the Leafs have to be better.

Beat me to it bud.

 

[ACC1224]

Were the Leafs not able to use the money spent on Muzzin and Murray towards others player? Are the Leafs not able to add players with Klingberg going on LTIR now?

Don’t think Minnesota can use that buyout money to fill out their roster…

Not really sure what you’re trying to get at here.

Why do you bother?

 

[notbias]

Were the Leafs not able to use the money spent on Muzzin and Murray towards others player? Are the Leafs not able to add players with Klingberg going on LTIR now?

Don’t think Minnesota can use that buyout money to fill out their roster…

Not really sure what you’re trying to get at here.

Mentioning Arizona is pretty irrelevant also. Yes they have a ton tied up on LTIR but they can use that if they could and aren’t on the verge of bankruptcy lmao…

They are currently not using about 25 million in cap space and are outperforming Evason... that is far more impressive, you should advocate for their coach.

For example, Cooper is now a worse coach than Keefe by your standards.

 

[TMLAM34]

They are currently not using about 25 million in cap space and are outperforming Evason... that is far more impressive, you should advocate for their coach.

For example, Cooper is now a worse coach than Keefe by your standards.

How are they not using about 25 million in cap space? With the available cap space prior to the season starting from Muzzin and Murray, did they not go out in free agency and sign players to make this team better?

You’re also trying to put words in my mouth based off 20 games by saying Cooper is worse than Keefe now?

Do you even re-read what you write? Lmao

Why do you bother?

I’m asking myself that right about now… lol

 

[notbias]

How are they not using about 25 million in cap space? With the available cap space prior to the season starting from Muzzin and Murray, did they not go out in free agency and sign players to make this team better?

You’re also trying to put words in my mouth based off 20 games by saying Cooper is worse than Keefe now?

Do you even re-read what you write? Lmao

Ya, it makes little to no sense... "Lmao"

A less successful coach than Keefe is who you are advocating for at this point.

25 million in unused cap is what Arizona is not using right now.

Also, just out of curiosity, how much in wasted cap do you think is on the Leafs? How badly constructed is the team? Clearly, people think they overpaid their stars, so I have no clue why those same people who mention this and complain about the cap also complain about Keefe not being able to go anywhere with this deeply flawed roster, it makes absolutely 0 sense.

 

[TMLAM34]

Ya, it makes little to no sense... "Lmao"

A less successful coach than Keefe is who you are advocating for at this point.

25 million in unused cap is what Arizona is not using right now.

Also, just out of curiosity, how much in wasted cap do you think is on the Leafs? How badly constructed is the team? Clearly, people think they overpaid their stars, so I have no clue why those same people who mention this and complain about the cap also complain about Keefe not being able to go anywhere with this deeply flawed roster, it makes absolutely 0 sense.

To simplify things for you…

Minnesota’s salary cap is basically 69 million.

Toronto’s salary cap is 83.5 million.

The only difference between the two teams within the past four years when it matters (since Evason’s been coach) is the Leafs making the second round only to get embarrassed and eliminated.

Not sure about you, I’d expect more from a team with a 14.5 million dollar advantage in salary.

 

[Mess]

They are currently not using about 25 million in cap space and are outperforming Evason... that is far more impressive, you should advocate for their coach.

For example, Cooper is now a worse coach than Keefe by your standards.

The Chicago Blackhawks rank #32 in Cap space used.

They're playing near the Cap Floor and not the Cap Ceiling with $13,126,112 FREE cap space at present and they sit 31st in the NHL standings with in full rebuild mode.

BUT have beaten Sheldon Keefe 2 X already and swept the season series.

If Keefe can't beat a team like Chicago, then he is clearly more than part of the problem.

Every embarrassing loss Leaf Nation has to endure to non playoff teams the closer we come to getting a REAL coach.

 

[notbias]

The Chicago Blackhawks rank #32 in Cap space used.

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They're playing near the Cap Floor and not the Cap Ceiling with $13,126,112 FREE cap space at present and they sit 31st in the NHL standings with in full rebuild mode.

BUT have beaten Sheldon Keefe 2 X already and swept the season series.

If Keefe can't beat a team like Chicago, then he is clearly more than part of the problem.

Every embarrassing loss Leaf Nation has to endure to non playoff teams the closer we come to getting a REAL coach.

How much wasted cap does Toronto have?

You obsess about cap.

How crippling to Keefe's success has Dubas been?

You seem to want it both ways.

Also... Arizona is last... they are just using IR not LTIR... unless you think Little, Weber, and Vorachek are coming back.

 

[TMLAM34]

How much wasted cap does Toronto have?

You obsess about cap.

How crippling to Keefe's success has Dubas been?

You seem to want it both ways.

Also... Arizona is last... they are just using IR not LTIR... unless you think Little, Weber, and Vorachek are coming back.

You keep bringing up Toronto’s wasted cap. Where is the wasted cap?

Arizona is using IR on players who’ll never play again to help them reach the cap floor while still sucking.

 

[notbias]

You keep bringing up Toronto’s wasted cap. Where is the wasted cap?

Arizona is using IR on players who’ll never play again to help them reach the cap floor while still sucking.

Wasted cap space is overpaying players, go check any other thread and you'll see some people saying Marner, Matthews, and Tavares are all overpaid.

I've seen people say Tavares is overpaid by up to 6 million... with those kinds of numbers, Keefe is probably working with a roster that is maxed out but likely should be similar to Minnesota's roster.

So I am just asking how much of this is Dubas' fault vs Keefe because based on other threads it really seems like Keefe is doing everything he can with this terrible roster.

 

[Niagara Bill]

I'd agree with this... I think maybe he's lost the room at this point. I have a lengthy post in the trades thread about this... but I think it's time to replace the coach, and the President... basically the management group, as it's time to get a new look, and figure out exactly who in the group has the will to win, and who doesn't... as I just don't see it from here, but I'm just an armchair QB.

I agree, you cannot make a trade, you cannot move Robertson, Kampf, McMann, Steeves etc until your best players show they have a chance of winning. Giving up future to support a core that doesn't show a desire to win is a waste.

 

[Niagara Bill]

Remember when everyone on this web site said sign AM because he is a leader....whatba joke that is today.

 

[Dreakmur]

What he says in public isn’t necessarily what he says in private.

What he says isn’t particularly important. As long as expectations and consequences are completely clear and consistent, the players have no excuses.

If the coach isn’t a problem here, the players’ commitment to winning is much worse than I thought…

 

[Duffman955]

I've had enough of keefe

 

[notDatsyuk]

Keefe should do what he should have done long time ago. Get the 3 11 AAV lines on 3 different lines

Matthews Line
Tavares Line
Marner Line

Let them drive their own line and create match up problems for the opposition. Roll the 3 lines with the line thats going strong gets more TOI; I think on average the TOI will balance itself out over the 82 game schedule.

The notion that a 11 AAV player needs another 11 AAV player to prop up their production is stupid. its a team game not individual glory

I want the 11 AAV guys to make their line mates better as they took the lion's share of the cap so now they have to make the lower AAVs contribute above their contracts.

Keefe HAS TO make this adjustment. I saw a glimpse of this when Babcock was coaching he had:

Hyman-Matthews-Brown
JVR-Bozak-Marner
Komarov-Kadri-Nylander

and then for a bit before kadri got suspended I think we ran
XXX-Matthews-Kapanen (forget who XXX was Johnsson?)
Hyman-Tavares-Marner
XXX-Kadri-Nylander
4th line

Now that the 3 ELCs have gotten paid and Leafs have added the 11 AAV UFA (Tavares); Leafs HAVE TO MANUFACTURE THEIR OWN DEPTH with high AAV players driving their own lines and making their line mates better.

There is no other way!

Stacking lines makes oppositions' lives easier to defend against the Leafs

The problem with that is that only one of the three is capable of driving his own line,

 

[Fogelhund]

I've had enough of keefe

Seriously, is anyone watching this team play, and going, OMG, if we just had a different coach?

 

[horner]

When have they ever shown in a big game maybe last year

Mathews and marner never change there game when it isn't work to many cute plays.
The never play a safe game in the playoffs , that should have been drilled into them from day one.

The problem with that is that only one of the three is capable of driving his own line,

They all are capable

 

[notDatsyuk]

When have they ever shown in a big game maybe last year

Mathews and marner never change there game when it isn't work to many cute plays.
The never play a safe game in the playoffs , that should have been drilled into them from day one.


They all are capable

The part above my quoted post disagrees with the part below.

 

[notDatsyuk]

He's an issue, but not the only issue.

Sometimes I think he's more of a symptom of the problem rather than a problem himself.

 

[Duffman955]

Seriously, is anyone watching this team play, and going, OMG, if we just had a different coach?

Yes for the last 3 years

 

[Fogelhund]

Yes for the last 3 years

You'll probably get a chance to test that theory out soon... but I do wonder, once Dubas is gone, and Keefe is gone, who is the next scapegoat, when it's proven removing both of these guys didn't make a difference?

 

[ACC1224]

You'll probably get a chance to test that theory out soon... but I do wonder, once Dubas is gone, and Keefe is gone, who is the next scapegoat, when it's proven removing both of these guys didn't make a difference?

Marner is already being 'scapegoated'.
Shouldn't 'when' be 'if'?

 

[Evilhomer]

You'll probably get a chance to test that theory out soon... but I do wonder, once Dubas is gone, and Keefe is gone, who is the next scapegoat, when it's proven removing both of these guys didn't make a difference?

I don't think Keefe is going anywhere anytime soon.

 

[3blizzard4]

Leafs have played like crap for the majority of the season. I see Keefe getting fired if we lose to Florida and Seattle this week.

 

[BallardEra]

Leafs have played like crap for the majority of the season. I see Keefe getting fired if we lose to Florida and Seattle this week.

Then the Leafs beat Boston on Saturday and everyone is happy again.