Keefe is NOT , the issue, he can coach, BUT, replacing him and his relationships with the players may be the solution.
Is Sheldon Keefe The Issue?
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ToneDog
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I have not seen anything from this team that makes me think spending more assets is wise. I'd fire Keefe and bring in Gallant if he passes a background check, and then decide if we should add or let the chips fall where they might.
WTFMAN99
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I think Lou was great for creating a team first culture...no BS / individual type stuff.
Babcock unfortunately was a terrible person that it effected his ability to coach the team. The issue is Keefe was the opposite direction, too soft on the players. Literally walked back comments because he didn't want to hurt feelings.
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That should happen, but I believe Shanahan will not allow it. Would love to see him get fired, then bring in Clark or Gilmour (I know, nor previous experience whatsoever). Just wishful thinking on my part, players who played with heart and passion for the Leafs!
Personally I don’t think Treliving and Keefe’s overall philosophies match very well. A guy like Gallant I think fits in better with Treliving.
Do you have a source on his reasoning for walking back the comments?
Also want to pull up full quotes of what was originally said and what he backtracked on? Full quotes, not snippets.
I don't remember it being as bad as most made it out to be.
I think Dean Evason fits best.
Just based on how he built his team in Calgary Treliving wants players who can punch people and skill is secondary, that seems like the best coach.
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Anything they add has to be part of the future. Making trades for a rental in an effort to secure a playoff spot or jockeying for position cannot happen again.
I love Gallant, but would he be able to turn Matthews into a playoff stud? I don’t know if Matthews has it in him and I don’t think he’d like Gallant.
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The problems with our Leafs are much deeper than with just the head coach.
Right on down from the MLSE BoD, to Shanahan, to our core 4 players, has plenty of stink to them.
The MLSE BoD has stuck with Shanahan, who has been unable to lead our Leafs to real progressive playoff successes.
Shanahan has hired a GM in Dubas that has NO NHL experience. He allowed Dubas to hire a coach with NO NHL experience.
Shanhan then hired Treliving, that has limited NHL experience running the Calgary Flames. Again, he hired Treliving without conducting a thorough search for a competent and experienced NNL GM candidate This is likely because of the MLSE BoD and connections to the Treliving empire.
Shanahan also does not stand up to the NHL publicly to bring attention to the obvious negative bias our Leafs receive from the Refs and the NHL Department of Player Safety. MLSE and our Leafs make too much money and has a huge fanbase, so therefore, the NHL feels it can punish our Leafs with impunity without impacting our Leafs/MLSE' bottom line.
What more can be said about our core 4 players other than they think highly of themselves, and are all greedy. They have yet to prove that their salaries are warranted. They can't dominate bottom feeding NHL teams to save their lives. And when the going gets hard in the playoffs, they start to polish their high-end golf clubs and pay to have their multi-million dollar cottages opened for the season.
I personnally miss every single player of our 1967 Stanley Cup championship Leafs. Now there was a team with heart, skill, and determination to win it all !!! Our current Leaf players are a bunch of pretty boys only interested in the topping up of their bank accounts, investments, and clothing collections etc.
I'm really angry with the current situation with our Leafs. They are not even securly in a playoff position. The core 4 salaries/cap hits say we should be near the top of the standings. We are not even close to where we should be.
Sadly, I think our Leafs should have stayed in Sweden !!! They are a team of overpaid meatballs !!!
I will welcome a change with this team, and soon !!!
Right on down from the MLSE BoD, to Shanahan, to our core 4 players, has plenty of stink to them.
The MLSE BoD has stuck with Shanahan, who has been unable to lead our Leafs to real progressive playoff successes.
Shanahan has hired a GM in Dubas that has NO NHL experience. He allowed Dubas to hire a coach with NO NHL experience.
Shanhan then hired Treliving, that has limited NHL experience running the Calgary Flames. Again, he hired Treliving without conducting a thorough search for a competent and experienced NNL GM candidate This is likely because of the MLSE BoD and connections to the Treliving empire.
Shanahan also does not stand up to the NHL publicly to bring attention to the obvious negative bias our Leafs receive from the Refs and the NHL Department of Player Safety. MLSE and our Leafs make too much money and has a huge fanbase, so therefore, the NHL feels it can punish our Leafs with impunity without impacting our Leafs/MLSE' bottom line.
What more can be said about our core 4 players other than they think highly of themselves, and are all greedy. They have yet to prove that their salaries are warranted. They can't dominate bottom feeding NHL teams to save their lives. And when the going gets hard in the playoffs, they start to polish their high-end golf clubs and pay to have their multi-million dollar cottages opened for the season.
I personnally miss every single player of our 1967 Stanley Cup championship Leafs. Now there was a team with heart, skill, and determination to win it all !!! Our current Leaf players are a bunch of pretty boys only interested in the topping up of their bank accounts, investments, and clothing collections etc.
I'm really angry with the current situation with our Leafs. They are not even securly in a playoff position. The core 4 salaries/cap hits say we should be near the top of the standings. We are not even close to where we should be.
Sadly, I think our Leafs should have stayed in Sweden !!! They are a team of overpaid meatballs !!!
I will welcome a change with this team, and soon !!!
If Minnesota fires Evason, I’d definitely be interested in him being Keefe’s replacement.
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It's a little narrow minded to think that if someone isn't happy with things then they must want Lou and Babcock back.
I think there is a very large group that don't want any of them(Lou/Babcock/Dubs/Keefe)
ToneDog
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Matty starting to make me think he is not going to get us to the promised land. If he does not "have it in him", maybe we should explore moving him to a US based team willing to overpay. Was watching the Blues yesterday afternoon and was thinking they could use an American stud as the face of their franchise. I'd be interested in a combination of Thomas, Kyrou, and Neighbours and picks and prospects.
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St Louis is interesting but I don’t see Matthews fitting in well in that town. He’s a New York, Toronto, LA type of guy.
Record aside, Minnesota plays a pretty well structured system. They’re hard on the forecheck and pucks. If things aren’t going well, he’s not afraid to demote or call star players out. IMO Minnesota has been one of those teams overachieving over the past couple years but it’s because their players buy into the system and Evason and Guerin have them playing the right way.
And this year? What do you think about them losing more 1st rounds in a row than us?
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I think the only capacity I would want any of them back would be Lou, specifically as a President type role HOWEVER, I don't think he has any interest in that job, at all, he wants to be a GM.
The fact they even made the playoffs the past few years with 15+ million of their salary cap tied up in buyouts is impressive.
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I'd agree with this... I think maybe he's lost the room at this point. I have a lengthy post in the trades thread about this... but I think it's time to replace the coach, and the President... basically the management group, as it's time to get a new look, and figure out exactly who in the group has the will to win, and who doesn't... as I just don't see it from here, but I'm just an armchair QB.
Basically 20 games in and sitting in the last wildcard spot. Don’t know how that’s even acceptable from this senior management group if they actually consider us a legitimate contender…
So Arizona's coach must be the best in the league right now?
Keefe must be doing really well with 5 million in dead cap.
Why would Arizona’s coach be the best in the league right now?
Evason has basically gotten the same out of Minnesota with 15+ million literally tied up to nothing as Keefe has gotten the Leafs with a far more superior roster and far more money to spend on resources. You’ll argue this by the Leafs finally making the second round only to get embarrassed in it.
Also no one mentioned Evason would be the best coach, only a better fit then Keefe.
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Were the Leafs not able to use the money spent on Muzzin and Murray towards others player? Are the Leafs not able to add players with Klingberg going on LTIR now?
Don’t think Minnesota can use that buyout money to fill out their roster…
Not really sure what you’re trying to get at here.
Mentioning Arizona is pretty irrelevant also. Yes they have a ton tied up on LTIR but they can use that if they could and aren’t on the verge of bankruptcy lmao…
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