Is Quinn Hughes overrated?

[eviohh26]

Point of the TSN post is it is an argument. It isnt 100% McDavid slam dunk, done.

I still dont think anyone is arguing Makar is a better skater than McDavid. Did you read any of the responses in that thread?

How many post do you have in this thread alone? Take out AV Fans post and i wonder how many pages this really is.

 

[MapleLeafs94]

Once he matures I think he'll be atleast adequate defensively. Obviously offensive instinct comes naturally to him considering his brothers, but he really needs to gain some strength for winning board battles and clearing the crease if he wants to take the next step. Against the Leafs yesterday he was getting pushed around like a peewee player, and the Leafs certainly aren't some big, heavy fore check style of team. He's still very young and has some holes in his game but pretty much every young defenseman who breaks into the league is there for thier offensive talents and shores up the defensive side later. Pretty rare you get the complete package at such a young age like Heiskanen for example.

 

[Oak]

Only Canucks fans overrated Quinn.

If you go back to the top 4 young guns of D thread from last year you will see that most people had Quinn 3rd or last.

 

[loosemoose]

He will get Ristolainen'd at this rate. Playing 20+ minutes against top lines while getting buried at every shift is not good for anyone's development. He should be playing third pairing minutes against soft competition at this point in his career.

 

[Dominance]

He will get Ristolainen'd at this rate. Playing 20+ minutes against top lines while getting buried at every shift is not good for anyone's development. He should be playing third pairing minutes against soft competition at this point in his career.

He is. He barely touched 10 minutes after two periods last game, and finished with 16 minutes when it became a clear blowout.

 

[Mickey Marner]

Doesn't have Tanev this year to do the yeoman's work. Now he gets a revolving door of mediocre defensemen who can't handle the defensive duties. Benning thought his young core was ready to carry the team this year and let three quality vets go. It'll probably cost him his job too.

 

[Rabid Ranger]

At the end of the day he has 15 points to lead all defensemen (and is tied for 5th overall in scoring) but is a -10. You don't need any kind of fancy analysis to interpret those numbers. He's putting up points but is being caved in defensively on a team that is atrocious in their own end. Watch the games, almost to a man the Canucks are inept defensively. Hughes is a part of this but he's also a "victim." I can't see too many other d-man faring well in this kind of team structure.

 

[John Eichel da GOAT]

Only Canucks fans overrated Quinn.

If you go back to the top 4 young guns of D thread from last year you will see that most people had Quinn 3rd or last.

Right but now that is even very overrated. Hes easily behind all of Fox, McAvoy, Chabot, Makar, Heiskanen, Klingberg, Girard, Dahlin and Provorov. I bet we see threads about him being a PP specialist only soon enough if the D side doesnt improve.

 

[John Eichel da GOAT]

At the end of the day he has 15 points to lead all defensemen (and is tied for 5th overall in scoring) but is a -10. You don't need any kind of fancy analysis to interpret those numbers. He's putting up points but is being caved in defensively on a team that is atrocious in their own end. Watch the games, almost to a man the Canucks are inept defensively. Hughes is a part of this but he's also a "victim." I can't see too many other d-man faring well in this kind of team structure.

10 are secondary assists too. Not like hes this offensive playmaking juggernaut snipping and making insane passes only to play poor defense. Thats passing the puck out of the zone while Miller/Horvat/Pettersson/Boeser do all the heavy lifting. Or your generic passing it around the perimeter on the PP>

 

[Rabid Ranger]

10 are secondary assists too. Not like hes this offensive playmaking juggernaut snipping and making insane passes only to play poor defense. Thats passing the puck out of the zone while Miller/Horvat/Pettersson/Boeser do all the heavy lifting. Or your generic passing it around the perimeter on the PP>

Just stop. 15 points is 15 points. He's one of the best catalysts in the NHL for offense-period. That doesn't negate the NHL struggles but let's call a spade a spade.

 

[hockeyisgud]

Just stop. 15 points is 15 points. He's one of the best catalysts in the NHL for offense-period. That doesn't negate the NHL struggles but let's call a spade a spade.

Don't forget what site you are on. Actual points are irrelevant here.

 

[Breakers]

Can’t be more overrated than the generational 1st overall pick from 2018.

 

[John Eichel da GOAT]

Just stop. 15 points is 15 points. He's one of the best catalysts in the NHL for offense-period. That doesn't negate the NHL struggles but let's call a spade a spade.

Points are points. Ask Brent Burns or Tyson Barrie. When you actually dissect them, i'd give him a ton more credit if there were more goals or primary assists. Last season was at least 50/50 primary vs secondary. This season is 30/70 with added atrocious defense on top of it. No not the end all be all, but its worth noting.

 

[hockeydog23]

We spent a year+ (covid extra months) having Hughes is better than Makar drilled into our heads because he played more games and had more points and we all knew and defended Cale saying it wasnt even close. The he dominates the Calder and we still hear chirping. Its nice to watch the truth come out.

Seriously. Funny to see Vancouver fans throw their own team under the bus to argue Hughes better than Makar. Last year it was "Makar plays on a better team," fully ignoring the fact that Hughes had all Vancouver's healthy stars in the lineup all year and the fact that they made it to game 7 of second round (just like the avs) while Makar helped keep the Avs afloat while everyone but Mackinnon was hurt frequently. This year, amazingly its "Hughes is missing Tanev and Markstrom from last year's team." Can't have it both ways. Many in Vancouver will say whatever they can to excuse Hughes's deficiencies and try to argue he's better than Makar. Saying Hughes is better than Makar is the definition of OVERRATED.

 

[Red Piller]

Right but now that is even very overrated. Hes easily behind all of Fox, McAvoy, Chabot, Makar, Heiskanen, Klingberg, Girard, Dahlin and Provorov. I bet we see threads about him being a PP specialist only soon enough if the D side doesnt improve.

LOL pp specialist
Dahlin has 3 points and is minus 9. Talk about over rated

 

[hockeydog23]

Of course, every fan base has their homers and speaking of nobody has as many homers as Leafs fans. However, on the flip side, nobody has as many sane fans as Leafs as well. Reason being they have the most fans by a bit I'd imagine. My point is yes we Canucks have some clueless fans but we've got some great ones too. This Makar - Hughes thing is silly really and always brought up regardless of thread why? By the way, I think Makar is better not even mentioning the fact he's RHD which is always harder to find. Yes, Hughes needs to improve his defence everyone knows that but he's 21 and playing for a bad defensive team you really think he's gonna be good defensively right away? Put Makar on Canucks you think he's still as good as he is playing on a stacked Avs roster? Again let me be clear I'm not saying Hughes is as good as Makar he's not. However, Hughes will be better defensively when the team around him is stronger and not just a bunch of talented kids with a bunch of overpaid bottom 6'ers and a weak D. I am excited to see that he has an offensive flair but we need to find him a defensive partner that works well with him. Tanev was that but he was getting old and as much as I miss him that contract will not age well.

Makar just had arguably his best game of the season with Mackinnon, Toews, Johnson, and the entire 4th line out. Narrative that the Avs stacked roster lifts up Makar is empty there's been a borderline comedic carousel of injuries to key players on that team the entire time Makar has been in the league.

 

[AvsFan29]

Makar just had arguably his best game of the season with Mackinnon, Toews, Johnson, and the entire 4th line out. Narrative that the Avs stacked roster lifts up Makar is empty there's been a borderline comedic carousel of injuries to key players on that team the entire time Makar has been in the league.

Not to mention the fact that Makar only has one goal, and could easily have 4-5 right now. He’s struggled a bit. He will break out offensively soon.

 

[John Eichel da GOAT]

LOL pp specialist
Dahlin has 3 points and is minus 9. Talk about over rated

I'll 100% agree on Dahlin. Dude hasnt done anything yet and this season especially. But I think we all know here that the pure skill is there and it will come eventually, even if that means 8 years from now when he leaves Buf as a UFA. Hughes on the other hand is a 5'5 160 lb small dman who avoids contact.

 

[The Abusement Park]

At the end of the day he has 15 points to lead all defensemen (and is tied for 5th overall in scoring) but is a -10. You don't need any kind of fancy analysis to interpret those numbers. He's putting up points but is being caved in defensively on a team that is atrocious in their own end. Watch the games, almost to a man the Canucks are inept defensively. Hughes is a part of this but he's also a "victim." I can't see too many other d-man faring well in this kind of team structure.

100%. Hughes will never be a shutdown dman and that's not why he was drafted. His ability to create offense will be rivaled by probably only Makar over their careers, he's that good at it. But the issues defensively from what I've seen are created by the team not by him and he's taking an unnecessary amount of the blame for some reason.

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

100%. Hughes will never be a shutdown dman and that's not why he was drafted. His ability to create offense will be rivaled by probably only Makar over their careers, he's that good at it. But the issues defensively from what I've seen are created by the team not by him and he's taking an unnecessary amount of the blame for some reason.

The highlighted is being faaar too kind to Hughes...yes, he's a phenomenally talented offensive defenseman, one of the very best in the League, but even on a bad defensive team he's one of the worst offenders...like Tyler Myers-level bad defensively, only Myers can at least play the physical game and has that long reach...it's definitely THE major issue Hughes has to work on in the next few years...

 

[Srsly]

For better or worse I feel like we’ve got another Karlsson(preinjury) on our hands where the type of fan you are determines where you rank him amongst his peers. That’s probably a complement though

 

[Red Piller]

I'll 100% agree on Dahlin. Dude hasnt done anything yet and this season especially. But I think we all know here that the pure skill is there and it will come eventually, even if that means 8 years from now when he leaves Buf as a UFA. Hughes on the other hand is a 5'5 160 lb small dman who avoids contact.

he’s not 5’5.......he avoids contact because that’s smart. Almost every single high end defenseman avoids contact. The kid is 21 and is almost a ppg in his career.

 

[The Abusement Park]

The highlighted is being faaar too kind to Hughes...yes, he's a phenomenally talented offensive defenseman, one of the very best in the League, but even on a bad defensive team he's one of the worst offenders...like Tyler Myers-level bad defensively, only Myers can at least play the physical game and has that long reach...it's definitely THE major issue Hughes has to work on in the next few years...

I never said Hughes was great defensively in my post did I? If the Canucks drafted him and expect him to defend like Hedman than that's their problem. Hughes will have his lapses on the backend but in end it won't matter because he drives play the other way better than basically every player in the league. But the rest of the team is playing like crap and it's compounding his weaknesses at the moment.

 

[John Eichel da GOAT]

he’s not 5’5.......he avoids contact because that’s smart. Almost every single high end defenseman avoids contact. The kid is 21 and is almost a ppg in his career.

I was being sarcastic with the 5'5 160lbs. Obviously he isnt literally that small. Its fine to avoid contact intelligently, but at the end of the day, hes a defenseman. He is expected to hit guys and block pucks. Dude doesnt do either.

This is only Vancouver. Against the whole league, hes at the bottom.

 

[Killer Orcas]

Makar just had arguably his best game of the season with Mackinnon, Toews, Johnson, and the entire 4th line out. Narrative that the Avs stacked roster lifts up Makar is empty there's been a borderline comedic carousel of injuries to key players on that team the entire time Makar has been in the league.

That's great he just had one of his best games usually good players have those sometimes that's why they're good players. Now instead of just bolding one sentence of my post why don't you read it again where I said not once but twice Makar is better than Hughes. As for me saying the Avs are stacked take that as a compliment as they are one of the better teams in the league for myself. The talent assembled is great and as much as I love the forward group you guys have a phenomenal young core of Dman as well.