Is Quinn Hughes overrated?

[BenningHurtsMySoul]

He went from playing with Tanev (one of the better defensive players in the league) to Jordie Benn. While putting up 14 points in 13 games to lead the league for defensive scoring.

Crayon-eaters are throwing his defensive numbers into the air as if they've been proven right. Last time I checked, good players play better with other good players.

He's not a McDavid-level freak that can turn Zack Kassian into a top 6 forward, he's a franchise defenceman that's being forced to carry a top pairing at 21. Never mind the fact that the entire team has been piss poor defensively.

 

[Rabid Ranger]

He went from playing with Tanev (one of the better defensive players in the league) to Jordie Benn. While putting up 14 points in 13 games to lead the league for defensive scoring.

Crayon-eaters are throwing his defensive numbers into the air as if they've been proven right. Last time I checked, good players play better with other good players.

He's not a McDavid-level freak that can turn Zack Kassian into a top 6 forward, he's a franchise defenceman that's being forced to carry a top pairing at 21. Never mind the fact that the entire team has been piss poor defensively.

Put any other offensive d-man into his position and what would the defensive outcome be? The Canucks are struggling as a team defensively this year. There's no doubt that Hughes is contributing to that but isn't it also fair to say he's a product of his environment?

 

[Frobbo]

The main thing is that his defensive IQ is infact very high, he's just failing to execute on minor things when his game is off, which is just age. He's never lost positionally, he's always in the right spots, he doesn't cheat when he shouldn't, etc. It's very clear when you watch him and what leads to the goals against. It's how you are losing that matters. This is why coaches dont get too worried when a team goes through a minor losing streak if theyre playing well. You shouldn't question a players defensive ability or upside based on current statistics, the same way you shouldn't judge a teams play based on their record over a small stretch.

People want to believe that a player who is so offensive, must be poor defensively. It's because statistics show us, thats generally the case. Hughes is currently sound defensively and could be great defensively. He needs to play with a good defensive partner because he's so good offensively that he should be allowed to focus a bit more on that. He is currently playing with a d man who couldnt crack last years d group, which was a rather poor d group and before that, he was playing with a d man who hadn't played in a year and was on a brand new team learning a new system and has also fallen off a cliff in recent years Those are not d men you want on a #1 pairing. Combine that with not being on top of your own game...

His OWN coaches have him currently on their third pairing, so while part of it is the teams defensive struggles they are acknowledging his part of it by sheltering his time on the ice. Maybe the league has caught up to his tactics and have figured out how to exploit them.

 

[Frankie Blueberries]

So dumb how half the threads on here are just questions about generic topics.

 

[Claypool]

He went from playing with Tanev (one of the better defensive players in the league) to Jordie Benn. While putting up 14 points in 13 games to lead the league for defensive scoring.

Crayon-eaters are throwing his defensive numbers into the air as if they've been proven right. Last time I checked, good players play better with other good players.

He's not a McDavid-level freak that can turn Zack Kassian into a top 6 forward, he's a franchise defenceman that's being forced to carry a top pairing at 21. Never mind the fact that the entire team has been piss poor defensively.

What do you feel is a fair number and term for Hughes' next contract?

 

[Slurpeelover27]

He's never lost positionally, he's always in the right spots, he doesn't cheat when he shouldn't, etc. It's very clear when you watch him and what leads to the goals against.

You are way out to lunch if that is what you see while watching him play. He is frequently lost positionally, frequently in the wrong spots and cheats A LOT to try and create scoring chances. Markstrom bailed him out countless times last year. This was well documented how goaltending saved he Canucks the most number of points compared to any other team in the league. Watch replays if him when he is on the ice when so many goals are scored. The Canucks barely made the play-in with Vezina level goaltending and were trending to completely miss the playoffs IF the pandemic did not prematurely end the season.

Incredibly weak playing the body as well. He needs to become much stronger to ever have a chance to defend well against strong forwards. Every game there are stretches with him on the ice when the other team can cycle with ease. It can't help that he is expending most of his energy on offense.

 

[strattonius]

You are way out to lunch if that is what you see while watching him play. He is frequently lost positionally, frequently in the wrong spots and cheats A LOT to try and create scoring chances. Markstrom bailed him out countless times last year. This was well documented how goaltending saved he Canucks the most number of points compared to any other team in the league. Watch replays if him when he is on the ice when so many goals are scored. The Canucks barely made the play-in with Vezina level goaltending and were trending to completely miss the playoffs IF the pandemic did not prematurely end the season.

Incredibly weak playing the body as well. He needs to become much stronger to ever have a chance to defend well against strong forwards. Every game there are stretches with him on the ice when the other team can cycle with ease. It can't help that he is expending most of his energy on offense.

It's hilarious that your username is Makar as you dissect all of Q. Hughes problems.

He's been bad in his own end this year. He's been cheating offensively, perhaps trying to do too much. Vancouver defense has been abysmal. No doubt he will round out his game though. It's weird that you're taking an 11 game sample size as his career trajectory. He was good defensively last year and it wasn't just Markstrom bailing him out. He needs a more competent partner than J. Benn who probably isn't an NHL'er on most teams.

 

[eviohh26]

Makar fans are having a field day . Insecurity is strong.

 

[CpatainCanuck]

He went from playing with Tanev (one of the better defensive players in the league) to Jordie Benn. While putting up 14 points in 13 games to lead the league for defensive scoring.

Crayon-eaters are throwing his defensive numbers into the air as if they've been proven right. Last time I checked, good players play better with other good players.

He's not a McDavid-level freak that can turn Zack Kassian into a top 6 forward, he's a franchise defenceman that's being forced to carry a top pairing at 21. Never mind the fact that the entire team has been piss poor defensively.

Last year I though Quinn was quite good defensively, and was unnecessarily criticized for his defensive play. This year he's honestly been kind of bad. I'm not sure if he put on too much weight too quickly and lost some speed or if it's something else, but he's been beaten 1-on-1 several times leading to grade-a scoring chances.

 

[John Eichel da GOAT]

What's the easiest way to start a conversation about Cale Makar?

Starting a Quinn Hughes thread.

We went through a whole season + covid with that nonsense in the opposite direction. Seems fair to rub it in a little more about how laughable the thought of Hughes being on par with Cale ever was.

 

[John Eichel da GOAT]

Makar fans are having a field day . Insecurity is strong.

Sooooo insecure

 

[John Eichel da GOAT]

What do you feel is a fair number and term for Hughes' next contract?

I bet they give him 8x$7M, but I could also see $6-6.5. Unless he signs a bridge deal for cap/covid reasons then who knows. Sucks they have Pettersson at the same time due.

 

[Brewin8]

Just my 2 cents...Torey Krug put up 50+ points for 5 straight seasons, was a PP specialist, and generally struggled defensively in his own end (mostly due to his size)..loved him as a Bruin...but he never got in any discussion about the Norris...Quinn Hughes has showed similar qualities in his young career (points/PP specialty/defensive struggles/size) and it is far too early to talk Norris for him...at this point he is overrated..mostly definitely by Canuck fans..

 

[Slurpeelover27]

It's hilarious that your username is Makar as you dissect all of Q. Hughes problems.

I happen to live in the Vancouver area, so yeah there is a very logical reason why I watch a lot of Quinn Hughes. I would prefer to watch Makar, but maybe you can figure that one out yourself.

 

[strattonius]

I happen to live in the Vancouver area, so yeah there is a very logical reason why I watch a lot of Quinn Hughes. I would prefer to watch Makar, but maybe you can figure that one out yourself.

Why are you using 11 games, where the entire roster has been anemic defensively in Vancouver, as the defining metric to his ability.

Did you watch him last year? He's not a stalwort defensively but still good.

 

[thefutures]

Sooooo insecure

Iverson broke Jordan. Cale broke ryan hartman.

 

[Slurpeelover27]

Why are you using 11 games, where the entire roster has been anemic defensively in Vancouver, as the defining metric to his ability.

Did you watch him last year? He's not a stalwort defensively but still good.

Yes I did watch him last year and he was just as bad. Incredible goaltending and Tanev as partner helped to hide some of these warts, but they were clear to anyone who would admit to themselves. Check out the Canucks thread of Hughes. There are many Canuck fans who are finally coming around to admitting that he is very poor in his own end without the puck.

Crazy how some players can do no wrong in fanbases eyes and others like Virtanen gets raked over the coals because he can't live up to his draft position. And others who get signed to big multi-year contracts aren't 'earning' their contracts. What the hell are these players supposed to do? Most fans can't see how these other types of players add a lot to their teams other than just points. Points are great, but you need to play defense and prevent some goals too. Lots of other factors go in to what I would classify as a great hockey player. Hughes is more like Marc Andre Bergeron than he is to Victor Hedman.

 

[Jimbo57]

Yes I did watch him last year and he was just as bad. Incredible goaltending and Tanev as partner helped to hide some of these warts, but they were clear to anyone who would admit to themselves. Check out the Canucks thread of Hughes. There are many Canuck fans who are finally coming around to admitting that he is very poor in his own end without the puck.

Crazy how some players can do no wrong in fanbases eyes and others like Virtanen gets raked over the coals because he can't live up to his draft position. And others who get signed to big multi-year contracts aren't 'earning' their contracts. What the hell are these players supposed to do? Most fans can't see how these other types of players add a lot to their teams other than just points. Points are great, but you need to play defense and prevent some goals too. Lots of other factors go in to what I would classify as a great hockey player. Hughes is more like Marc Andre Bergeron than he is to Victor Hedman.

blah blah blah.

Pair your golden boy with Jordie Benn, let him play within the garbage team d system that the AHL calibre coach has implemented and come back and give us another book report.

 

[Claypool]

I bet they give him 8x$7M, but I could also see $6-6.5. Unless he signs a bridge deal for cap/covid reasons then who knows. Sucks they have Pettersson at the same time due.

He's not taking less than Chabot. If Makar signs for $9, Hughes doesn't ask for anything less than $8.5.

 

[Slurpeelover27]

blah blah blah.

Pair your golden boy with Jordie Benn, let him play within the garbage team d system that the AHL calibre coach has implemented and come back and give us another book report.

blah blah blah, got any more weak excuses?

Makar made Ryan Graves into the top plus minus player in the entire league last year at plus 40!! Ryan Graves was a nothing player before playing with Makar. In 10 games this year playing without Makar he is a minus 5!! If Makar played with Jordie Benn, he would have a career year.

Quinn Hughes was the 104th WORST plus minus player in the entire league last year playing with Chris Tanev who had to babysit him all year and now you are whining because there is not 1 decent defenseman that can do that job this year? Your golden boy is already minus 7 this year. Looks like Hughes boys both are just out for glory playin for the names on their backs. Jack Hughes was the 10th worst player in the league in plus minus last year at MINUS 20.

I am sure you will say pfffft plus minus is a nothing stat. Go ask anyone in the NHL. The stat has plenty of meaning, not in itself, but you can get some good information from it especially when comparing players on the same team. Tanev was plus 4, Stecher was plus 10 and Edler plus 13 last year. Hmmm Tanev and Stecher both gone. Coincidence? If your weak argument about a poor system by Green is used then how can half the defenseman on the same team do so much better than the other half while employing the same system? BTW 2+2=4. Maybe Edler needs a turn to babysit. I don't think they tried that yet.

 

[Mighty Makar]

Iverson broke Jordan. Cale broke ryan hartman.

Cale broke Huggy Bear and Canuck fans hearts when he won the Calder!

 

[Takumi3000]

Just my 2 cents...Torey Krug put up 50+ points for 5 straight seasons, was a PP specialist, and generally struggled defensively in his own end (mostly due to his size)..loved him as a Bruin...but he never got in any discussion about the Norris...Quinn Hughes has showed similar qualities in his young career (points/PP specialty/defensive struggles/size) and it is far too early to talk Norris for him...at this point he is overrated..mostly definitely by Canuck fans..

Did Torey Krug have 86 points in his first 103 games played? Cause that's the pace Hughes is currently on. By this time next season, he may already be a ppg Dmen.

 

[bh53]

His OWN coaches have him currently on their third pairing, so while part of it is the teams defensive struggles they are acknowledging his part of it by sheltering his time on the ice. Maybe the league has caught up to his tactics and have figured out how to exploit them.

Where are you getting the idea that he plays 3rd pairing?

And if you're going to try to justify it by ice time

Clearly evident he is not on the 3rd pairing

 

[Three On Zero]

Makar is better but Hughes isn’t far behind, the insecurities of other fan bases is high as already stated. Kid will be a stud for years

 

[eviohh26]

Sooooo insecure