Is Patrik Elias worthy to get to HHOF?

[TheAngryHank]

I'd vote him in, one of my all time favorite non Wings players.

 

[Nocashstyle]

Not that great using 1995-2012 which covers his most productive seasons he comes in 15th in points. He was behind Jagr, Selanne, Alfredsson, Thorton, Iginla, Sakic, Recchi, Sundin, Lidstrom, Kariya, Modano, Whitney, Hossa, Kovalev.

Interestingly he goes to 9 if you use his entire career, guess those extra years helped him pass a few retired players. He's not bad by any stretch but is that HoF worthy? For comparison using the same calculation of time spent in the league, Sundin who many had issue with is 4th.

Why would you start at 95? He wasn't even drafted at that point

 

[leaffaninvancouver]

Why would you start at 95? He wasn't even drafted at that point

I just picked the first season he played, I can take it out if you want. He's still listed at ninth when looking at players who played over the span of his career.

96-76 to 2015-2016 he's ninth overall. I'm not saying he's not great but there is no time range where he comes close to being in the top 5. Let's try 1999-2008 this is some of his best hockey and he's 11th. Which stretch of time over his career is so impressive?

 

[Ace of Hades]

I feel like that would be setting the bar down a bit in all honesty...great player...but not in the hall of fame.

The bar was already set down when Andreychuk, Jeremy ****ing Jacobs and a few others before them were inducted.

As for the question, no, Elias shouldn't be in the hall of fame.

 

[KovalchukFistPump]

My username used to be 'Elias2662' and I still say no. Very good player, but on his best post-lockout years of 08-09 and 11-12 he was always the second best player on the team (after Parise and Kovalchuk respectively). Deserves to get his number retired by the Devils but I'm not sure he's a Hall of Famer.

On the other hand, I don't see him as having any less of a case than Housley, Andreychuk, etc. He was the best forward on the back-to-back Cup Final teams in 2000 and 2001 and was elite in 2004 and 2006 after coming back from Hepatitis. Still though, I think 2001 was the only year where he was in the conversation for best players in the league. Very dependable defensively though, so that may help him get in, although he never received much Selke consideration because there were always guys like Holik, Madden, and Pandolfo that received those votes.

 

[SETHROLLINS]

I believe Elias is a HOF. If not, a guy like St. Louis who has similar stats with less cups and finals appearances doesn't get in either.

 

[cptjeff]

I believe Elias is a HOF. If not, a guy like St. Louis who has similar stats with less cups and finals appearances doesn't get in either.

Martin St. Louis has two scoring titles and a Hart and Pearson. Remind me when Elias won any of those things? And he scored roughly the same number of points in 100 less games than Elias did. St. Louis was unquestionably the better player.

 

[Zippy316]

Martin St. Louis has two scoring titles and a Hart and Pearson. Remind me when Elias won any of those things? And he scored roughly the same number of points in 100 less games than Elias did. St. Louis was unquestionably the better player.

More productive =/= Better player

St. Louis had a better peak, but he also had Lecavalier and Stamkos in his best years. Elias had a longer career and also played with Gomez and Arnott in his best years.

You're making it seem like St. Louis is the much better player, but I think it's much closer. I'd give Elias the slight edge.

 

[karnige]

Martin St. Louis has two scoring titles and a Hart and Pearson. Remind me when Elias won any of those things? And he scored roughly the same number of points in 100 less games than Elias did. St. Louis was unquestionably the better player.

so he had a better upswing. elias was consistent. imo they both get in. this is the NHL HOF not the cooperstown

 

[cptjeff]

More productive =/= Better player

St. Louis had a better peak, but he also had Lecavalier and Stamkos in his best years. Elias had a longer career and also played with Gomez and Arnott in his best years.

You're making it seem like St. Louis is the much better player, but I think it's much closer. I'd give Elias the slight edge.

And I think that that's your homer bias talking.

 

[Better Call Sal]

Yes, I do believe he deserves to be in. First ballot? No, but I think people are seriously underestimating his importance to New Jersey for so long. Couple that with his production numbers for the era which he played, and you have one of the most under-appreciated players to play this game.

 

[Hockeyville USA]

Of course he's worthy of getting in. If he played in New York, Toronto, Boston, Detroit, Montreal and had the same career and contributed to multiple Cups, he'd have a statue outside the arena and would have been in the HHOF already.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

It's pretty crazy that he's not in. His productivity while playing on stingy defensive teams was pretty remarkable. He was one of the best all around wingers in hockey for the better part of a decade, and was clutch in the playoffs.

His pass to Arnott to win the cup vs Dallas doesn't get talked about enough. One of the best cup winning plays of all time, just an unreal pass.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Another of these borderline players people get obsessed with until they get in, then everyone complains about lowering the bar.

How many years was Elias one of the top 10 players in the NHL?

How many years was he one of the top 5 wingers?

People keep saying things like “if he had played in Toronto…” as if he isn’t already getting a boost from playing on a very prominent team in that era. What if he had played in Phoenix or Florida, would we even be having this discussion?

Elias is important to the Devils franchise and important to Czech hockey. That should be enough. Not every good player needs to be in the Hall.

 

[Prairie Habs]

Of course he's worthy of getting in. If he played in New York, Toronto, Boston, Detroit, Montreal and had the same career and contributed to multiple Cups, he'd have a statue outside the arena and would have been in the HHOF already.

He's the devils all time leading point scorer by over 300 points with 1025 in 1240 games (second place John maclean with 701 in 934), almost 500 points up on 3rd place Travis zajac. If he had played on one of those original 6 teams he wouldn't stand out nearly as much.

No individual awards and barely 1000 points, well under point per game. Only made the post-season allstar team once. And, for those who confuse which one is important in all HHOF discussions, that's the one people care about, not allstar game appearances. The allstar game is mid season, needs representatives from every team, and is so disrespected that players turn it down or play up injuries not to go.

 

[Hockeyville USA]

He's the devils all time leading point scorer by over 300 points with 1025 in 1240 games (second place John maclean with 701 in 934), almost 500 points up on 3rd place Travis zajac. If he had played on one of those original 6 teams he wouldn't stand out nearly as much.

No individual awards and barely 1000 points, well under point per game. Only made the post-season allstar team once. And, for those who confuse which one is important in all HHOF discussions, that's the one people care about, not allstar game appearances. The allstar game is mid season, needs representatives from every team, and is so disrespected that players turn it down or play up injuries not to go.

3 Cups. Legendary player and got it done when it mattered most. He's part of the history of the league.

 

[Prairie Habs]

3 Cups. Legendary player and got it done when it mattered most. He's part of the history of the league.

Chris kunitz has 4 cups. Elias can get in right after him.

 

[dgibb10]

Chris kunitz has 4 cups. Elias can get in right after him.

The key difference being Kunitz didn't lead those cup teams in scoring for like a decade straight.

Kunitz had a combined 8 goals and 43 points in 81 games in those 4 stanley cup runs

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Another of these borderline players people get obsessed with until they get in, then everyone complains about lowering the bar.

How many years was Elias one of the top 10 players in the NHL?

How many years was he one of the top 5 wingers?

People keep saying things like “if he had played in Toronto…” as if he isn’t already getting a boost from playing on a very prominent team in that era. What if he had played in Phoenix or Florida, would we even be having this discussion?

Elias is important to the Devils franchise and important to Czech hockey. That should be enough. Not every good player needs to be in the Hall.

For the 15 year period from 1998-99 thru 2012-13, nobody scored more playoff points than Patrik Elias.

In terms of regular season play, for the 5 years from 99-00 thru 2003-04, he was

• 9th in scoring, (4th among wingers)
• 6th in goals
• 4th in ES scoring (2nd among wingers)
• 3rd in ES goals
• 3rd in +/-

Overall, his accomplishments are pretty strong

• 2 Cups, 4 trips to the finals
• 408 goals 1,025 points
• 3 Top 10 scoring finishes (3rd, 6th, 10th)
• 2 top 10 goal finishes (4th, 10th)
• 2 20+ point playoff campaigns

All while being one of the best defensive wingers in hockey

 

[tarheelhockey]

For the 15 year period from 1998-99 thru 2012-13, nobody scored more playoff points than Patrik Elias.

In terms of regular season play, for the 5 years from 99-00 thru 2003-04, he was

• 9th in scoring, (4th among wingers)
• 6th in goals
• 4th in ES scoring (2nd among wingers)
• 3rd in ES goals
• 3rd in +/-

Overall, his accomplishments are pretty strong

• 2 Cups, 4 trips to the finals
• 408 goals 1,025 points
• 3 Top 10 scoring finishes (3rd, 6th, 10th)
• 2 top 10 goal finishes (4th, 10th)
• 2 20+ point playoff campaigns

All while being one of the best defensive wingers in hockey

This smells an awful lot like the argument for Milan Hejduk.

 

[NJ DevLolz]

This smells an awful lot like the argument for Milan Hejduk.

Was Milan Hejduk a Selke caliber player and a center in the second half of his career? Was Hejduk ever close to the best forward on his team at any point? This is disingenuous. Hejduk barely got 800 points, let alone 1,000.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

This smells an awful lot like the argument for Milan Hejduk.

The biggest difference being Hejduk was much more of a passenger, while Elias drove the Devils entire offense.

 

[njdevils1982]

Chris kunitz has 4 cups. Elias can get in right after him.

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[NyQuil]

I’ve said Yes to this for years.

 

[Prairie Habs]

The key difference being Kunitz didn't lead those cup teams in scoring for like a decade straight.

Kunitz had a combined 8 goals and 43 points in 81 games in those 4 stanley cup runs

He was a leader for the devils for a decade? Sounds like a great reason for the devils to retire his number. Sadly, he never really stood out among the leagues elite in a way that merits the HHOF (which includes more than just devils).

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You think a player that lived through World War II has any relevance to guys that played in the cap era?