Value of: Is Max Pacioretty on his way out?

[hockeyheadlines]

Not a fan of either team but how do you guys feel about a Patches for Tanev base for a trade? Gives MTL more depth at D especially when Markov slows down and gives Vancouver some scoring depth once the Sedin slow down. I was going to add Virtanen and Sergachev so both could swap wingers and D but Sergachev holds a little more value IMO.

Tanev is a RHD, we need a LHD.

 

[TheNewEra]

Tanev is a RHD, we need a LHD.

should go for a cheap stopgap imo because you guys dont need an all world defence with price in net

oduya/hamhuis (whoever is the lhd) should be the target

could get them for cheapish and those guys havent slowed down to the point where they are liabilities and either one of them are upgrades over at least one if not 2 of your dmen at the moment

 

[REALTALK81]

Tanev is a RHD, we need a LHD.

Fair enough. Just thought having Weber first pairing and Tanev second, would be scary for opponents.

 

[bleuetbio]

Not a fan of either team but how do you guys feel about a Patches for Tanev base for a trade? Gives MTL more depth at D especially when Markov slows down and gives Vancouver some scoring depth once the Sedin slow down. I was going to add Virtanen and Sergachev so both could swap wingers and D but Sergachev holds a little more value IMO.

We need LD, not RD.... and for the record this is our needs

1- Offense-> a 60 pt forward with an element of speed
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2- 1st line LD-> We have the RD and the goalie to patch a bit this problem

Trading a 60 pt forward for a LD would exposed badly our main need and this probably for many years. Forget the cup in the Price prime

 

[Spazkat]

Can't help but wonder whether or not Tortz has any impact in this

If Patches thought playing for Torts for 2 weeks sucked, I can only imagine the hell his life would become playing for Carlyle full time.

 

[jacks*]

Not a fan of either team but how do you guys feel about a Patches for Tanev base for a trade? Gives MTL more depth at D especially when Markov slows down and gives Vancouver some scoring depth once the Sedin slow down. I was going to add Virtanen and Sergachev so both could swap wingers and D but Sergachev holds a little more value IMO.

No interest what so ever as a Habs fan.

 

[BBB24]

no interest in him on the leafs. would be a good fit on a team like minnesota. Spurgeon+ ?

Lol Spurgeon plus, no way that would happen, wouldn't do Spurgeon straight up, it would be that Habs adding

 

[jacks*]

Lol Spurgeon plus, no way that would happen, wouldn't do Spurgeon straight up, it would be that Habs adding

Well pretty hard for the Bruins to refuse since Spurgeon doesn't play for them.
Also the Habs wouldn't adding to Patches for Spurgeon. Nice try though.

 

[ichabod13]

ryan strome & calvin dehaan for pacioretty & ___________.

 

[EichelsJockStrap]

Buffalo should be all over this . 1st and Nylander play with jack

 

[BBB24]

Well pretty hard for the Bruins to refuse since Spurgeon doesn't play for them.
Also the Habs wouldn't adding to Patches for Spurgeon. Nice try though.

Not sure where I mentioned anything about Spurgeon being on the Bruins, I know where he plays and again never going to happen especially thinking the Wild add.

 

[HOPE]

Buffalo should be all over this . 1st and Nylander play with jack

i would do this.

but the problem is we are trying to contend and nothing etablished is coming back

 

[PTH]

Fair enough. Just thought having Weber first pairing and Tanev second, would be scary for opponents.

Habs second pairing has Petry on the right side, and he's been doing fine. With Pateryn and Juulsen coming up, RD is set. LD is weak overall, with Emelin, Markov, Beaulieu and Barberio. Emelin is doing fine riding shotgun to Weber but is somewhat overpaid and lacks offense, Markov is doing awesome but isn't going to be in this league in 3 years, Beaulieu hasn't taken that next step and Barberio is looking like an OK 3d pairing guy, no more.

 

[nhlfan9191]

Fair enough. Just thought having Weber first pairing and Tanev second, would be scary for opponents.

Tanev is the last thing we need. If we were trading Pacioretty in a deal based around a defenseman, it wouldn't be for a RH defensive defenceman with nothing to offer offensively. It would be for a LH PMD.

 

[BatVader]

as per; http://mynhltraderumors.com/nhl-rum...-ny-islanders-tampa-bay-lightning/2016/12/03/

The Montreal Canadiens are near the top of the standings, but some think they may not have the pieces in place to go all the way. They have a weakness down the middle. If GM Marc Bergevin thinks they have a shot this year, he needs to trade for a “A-list second line centre.”

Alex Galchenyuk has shown he can be a can be their No. 1 guy, but it’s a drop off after that. Neither Tomas Plekanec or David Desharnais are a No. 2 center on a Cup contending team.

Kelly thinks that Coyotes Martin Hanzal would be an interesting option for the Canadiens.

On the dream acquisition, what about John Tavares. There is talk that Islanders could put Tavares on the trade market. Kelly mentions Max Pacioretty plus another piece for Tavares.

Honestly, asking if there is any way that this could happen?
I am not in any way a fan of Hanzal and consider any move towards him a waste of assets, but JT would be a huge acquisition.
Just don't know who would fill Pacioretty's slot on the LW.

 

[Avs44]

as per; http://mynhltraderumors.com/nhl-rum...-ny-islanders-tampa-bay-lightning/2016/12/03/


Honestly, asking if there is any way that this could happen?

No, of course not. The author makes it sound like that is educated speculation from Kelly, when in reality, here is Kelly's piece, and here is what Kelly said.

But why don’t we dream a little today? How about the notion of John Tavares in a Canadiens jersey? There is all kinds of media chatter that the New York Islanders star is potentially on the trading block given the Isles’ mediocre start and for some reason — most likely the invention of the Loafs-obsessed Toronto hockey media mob — the Maple Leafs are most frequently mentioned as a potential destination for Tavares.

But why not Montreal? Bergevin would have to give up something big to land a guy who scored over 30 goals in each of his last two seasons. So how about giving New York a guy who’s scored over 30 goals in four of his last five seasons?

Exactly. Max Pacioretty for Tavares, with presumably Montreal throwing in someone else to sweeten the deal. Patch is having a sad-sack season, but maybe what he needs is a change of scenery to kick him out of his funk. The one thing for sure is that it’s not clicking for him here and hasn’t for a while.

Just a thought and my latest attempt to make life easier for Bergevin.

That makes zero sense for the Islanders on so many levels. That author is 1) clearly ignorant about other teams, and 2) out to lunch.

 

[The Great Weal]

Buffalo should be all over this . 1st and Nylander play with jack

Props to you that's a solid offer. If the Habs were out of the playoffs I'd easily do this, but we are currently at the top of the league and it really isn't worth it to set ANOTHER year back.

 

[PTH]

Tanev is the last thing we need. If we were trading Pacioretty in a deal based around a defenseman, it wouldn't be for a RH defensive defenceman with nothing to offer offensively. It would be for a LH PMD.

Or, in a 2 for 2 type of deal, we'd go for a downgrade on offense for an upgrade on defense - as I suggested higher up, a winger and a D from Anaheim for Pacioretty and Beaulieu. Say Silfverberg and Fowler, for argument's sake.

 

[nhlfan9191]

Or, in a 2 for 2 type of deal, we'd go for a downgrade on offense for an upgrade on defense - as I suggested higher up, a winger and a D from Anaheim for Pacioretty and Beaulieu. Say Silfverberg and Fowler, for argument's sake.

I've been saying too that Anaheim is our best trade partner. Question is, are they interested.

 

[PTH]

I don't expect Pacioretty would be moved for anything other than a winger unless Radulov was already re-signed, otherwise the Habs depth on W would just be ridiculously thin.

 

[MAHJ71]

Is Rakell + Theodore a possibility!?

Feels like overpayment to me.

 

[bernmeister]

Something around Patches for Fowler?

I'd be concerned acquiring Patches, he had a really poor showing at the World Cup too. At first it was because he didn't care about the event, but his poor play continued into the season.

Aging goal scorer who doesn't drive possession. Not sure the trade value would be enough to let him go

No because who would take him AND offer something the Habs really need?

It takes two to tango, I don't see any team willing to make a trade the Habs would make that would involve him.

You don't trade Theodore for anything but an elite young forward. MTL has no need for RHD, nor do we need floaters.

MaxPax is not damaged goods, but he has lost his luster recently, and until he proves consistently over an adequate period of games he still has the mojo to both bring it and finish, his value has flattened and diminished.

He is worth more than Fowler, assuming both are at top of their games, which is not the case now.

Don't see a fit w/Rangers except as a 3rd team broker, unless it is a bigger deal where we could bribe you to take Staal's NMC, which I doubt

 

[BatVader]

No, of course not. The author makes it sound like that is educated speculation from Kelly, when in reality, here is Kelly's piece, and here is what Kelly said.




That makes zero sense for the Islanders on so many levels. That author is 1) clearly ignorant about other teams, and 2) out to lunch.

Ok. Thanks

 

[anezthes]

Or, in a 2 for 2 type of deal, we'd go for a downgrade on offense for an upgrade on defense - as I suggested higher up, a winger and a D from Anaheim for Pacioretty and Beaulieu. Say Silfverberg and Fowler, for argument's sake.

"Not in your wildest dreams."

No from ANA.

 

[m302291]

I see the islanders as good trade partners.

Something around Strome/Nelson/CDH for Max and Beau?

Patches would look great on JTs line.

And assuming he re-signs, he can help ease his teammates into Quebec province life.



I'll leave....