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Is Lily about to become better than Reilly?

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francis246 said:
That guy has no idea what he’s talking about. Rielly has had a slow start but he isn’t bad. Rielly is an elite offensive dman, to put up 60+ points as a dman is so hard.

I think Liljegren will be a solid piece for us but he’ll never be able to produce offensively like Rielly can while Rielly is in Toronto. I can’t see a scenario where Liljegren is going to score 60 or 70 points
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I rather better defence if it cost them a few extra points on the stat sheet so be it fast players are good but if their iq isn’t going to match it then what’s the point did you see the over time winner that was your number 1 that gifted smith a breakaway with everybody in the play that’s crazy n I believe lily can if you give him the number one power play spot where he gets to play with elite players with an advantage you guys look at points to determine who’s good and who isn’t?that being said I like rielly and he moves like the team captain in a good way but let’s not act as if hes a legit number 1 all situation defencemen he’s only a number 2 all situation with a legit top 4 defensive defencemen period
 
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I don't know if Liljegren is ever going to be a #1, a true #1, not just a guy who gets the most ice time on a defense that's not very good, like some Dcorps around the league

I do think he'll play in the top pair by as early as next year and may get consideration for Reillys spot as the QBPP1. He may make it all his by the the 24/25 season.

Some of you may remember that some people were talking like he was going to be a top 5 pick before the mono, and some of those same people may have even said Lidstrom quietly while others may have thought Salming max, Hjalmarsson more likely.

I'm still not sure where he'll end up, as far as his ceiling is concerned, but hopefully whomever is the GM who handles his negotiation doesn't screw it up. I'm thinking he's going to be a lifelong Maple Leaf. Much like Reilly and Marner, not sure if there are any others on the current roster.
 
arso40 said:
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I rather better defence if it cost them a few extra points on the stat sheet so be it fast players are good but if their iq isn’t going to match it then what’s the point did you see the over time winner that was your number 1 that gifted smith a breakaway with everybody in the play that’s crazy n I believe lily can if you give him the number one power play spot where he gets to play with elite players with an advantage you guys look at points to determine who’s good and who isn’t?that being said I like rielly and he moves like the team captain in a good way but let’s not act as if hes a legit number 1 all situation defencemen he’s only a number 2 all situation with a legit top 4 defensive defencemen period
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Liljegren still turns the puck over a lot. I really don't think he's this elite defender. He's physical and can use his body, but he makes just as many mistakes as the rest of the group.
 
I dont think Lilly comes close to touching Riellys point totals. Likely tops out at 40ish points at best. But if he can tighten up some of the gaffs and giveaways he is going to be a very important player for us.

Maybe one day I'll actually learn how to spell his last name too.
 
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arso40 said:
I rather better defence if it cost them a few extra points on the stat sheet so be it fast players are good but if their iq isn’t going to match it then what’s the point did you see the over time winner that was your number 1 that gifted smith a breakaway with everybody in the play that’s crazy n I believe lily can if you give him the number one power play spot where he gets to play with elite players with an advantage you guys look at points to determine who’s good and who isn’t?that being said I like rielly and he moves like the team captain in a good way but let’s not act as if hes a legit number 1 all situation defencemen he’s only a number 2 all situation with a legit top 4 defensive defencemen period
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I don't think we should be choosing between better offense or defense when it comes to an elite number one defenseman who should be a cornerstone piece. I agree that Rielly might be closer to a 2 on a great team. Leafs love comparing themselves to the 90s Wings, Lightning, Blackhawks, Penguins, Capitals. Rielly is not in the same tier as a Lidstrom, Hedman, Keith, Letang, Carlson. Nothing inherently wrong about that, but relying on him as that type of player is not going to give us the desired results.
 
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I’m a huge Rielly fan but I’m perplexed by the fact he hasn’t developed a better shot. Or at least gotten better at floating pucks through on the PP.

Liljegren has always had a shot and it’s looking better with his attention to refining it. I hope he is given a chance on the PP at some point..
 
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May have the potential, but lets pump the brakes a little bit until Lilly can put 2-3 seasons of top 4 hockey first.
 
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arso40 said:
Assuming your lol is saying that riellys 7.5 and holl 2 mill doesn’t get us solid defencemen that can play defence ?How much does larsson mayfield tanev and players in that mold make?
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Very strange assumption. But then again, since you're now bringing Holl into the conversation, I'm not surprised you got lost.
 
Rielly is a very good offensive defenceman. He is below average defensively. Both Liljegrin and Sandin have potential to be better overall players, but certainly not offensively.
 
People saying Rielly is defensive liability. Well to be fair, coming into his draft, he was considered a one-dimensional player. We drafted him because he was considered the best offensive defence man in the draft. The leafs knew his defensive game needed work so we got who we drafted. He puts up solid points season after season.

With Liljegren, he was considered a top 3 pick before his draft season started and then gets mono. I think Bob McKenzie had him going number 2 in his pre season draft rankings. He was considered an absolute steal at 17 for us. Look at him now he's playing real well. Given time, he could very well surpass Rielly in the future.
 
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Fonzieleaf said:
People saying Rielly is defensive liability. Well to be fair, coming into his draft, he was considered a one-dimensional player. We drafted him because he was considered the best offensive defence man in the draft. The leafs knew his defensive game needed work so we got who we drafted. He puts up solid points season after season.

With Liljegren, he was considered a top 3 pick before his draft season started and then gets mono. I think Bob McKenzie had him going number 2 in his pre season draft rankings. He was considered an absolute steal at 17 for us. Look at him now he's playing real well. Given time, he could very well surpass Rielly in the future.
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Liljegren will be a solid piece for us, but if you’re asking me if I think he’s going to be a true #1, put up 40+ Points and solid defensive play I just don’t see it. I don’t think he’s going to ever be the horse on the back end like Rielly is for us. That’s not saying I don’t think he’s a good player; I just don’t see him as a future #1.

I would like to see us go back to splitting time on the PP and having two good units
 
Gary Nylund said:
Very strange assumption. But then again, since you're now bringing Holl into the conversation, I'm not surprised you got lost.
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Didn’t get lost at all not having rielly doesn’t change trying to not have holl either and it’s not a strange assumption at all but I’m going to stop replying to you cause I can see your a computer tough guy and I don’t want any problems sir 🙌🏾
 
Lilly can be better than Reilly but unless he takes his game to the next two levels with consistency, he is not really there yet.

Reilly’s problem has always been playing the odd man rushes. Still don’t understand why he is that bad after all these years in the NHL.
 
Not a knock against either player but I'm just wondering how long Dubas is going to keep drafting Lily clones when we already have him & Sandin ?
 
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Lily likely won't achieve the brand name that Rielly has but he's an easier peice to manage. Very well rounded bar some defensive lapses but those are part of our system.

Mo is a unique luxury. He'll never be the true cornerstone #1D but he's not paid like one either. We have what we have but never built around him correctly and we've had him for a decade. His partner in the playoffs last year peak window was the Yotes 6/7 Dman.

Our competitive advantage is spending the dollars to have an overwhelming scoring top 6F and Mo doesn't fit well into that strategy. Him and a right handed Slavin would make a dominant duo on a more balanced team.
 
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