Sure, but it seems the forecasts are often heavily influenced on what happened during the last game.
Is Lily about to become better than Reilly?
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Next year tis not one game. I like what I see, future speaking.Sure, but it seems the forecasts are often heavily influenced on what happened during the last game.
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He will be top 3, next year.
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Sometimes they bring them in slowly. Mo hit the NHL at 18 because of blazing speed and high draft status. I prefer the slow approach with dmen.
Supertramp, right you are bloody well right, you've got a right to say..
Wish we never made that muzzin trade I’ll tell you that much then our right side wouldn’t be this weak
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I would not be surprised if Liljegren becomes a better defenseman than Rielly.
There's a reason a UFA Rielly, at his peak signed for 7.5mm. That's his tier.
Liljegren is on his upward trend, Rielly has likely peaked. I don't think we've seen anything more than experience, rather than improvement for a few years for Rielly.
Rielly salary is appropriate, with good fortune Liljegren demands much more as a UFA.
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If I’m the Leafs I would be circling the Avs like a vulture to see what they do with Byram, Toews and Girard over the next couple of years.
Byram is high end potential but has concussion history. He’s an RFA off his ELC next year but probably has more natural ability than Rielly.
Girard is too expensive at $5 million and has been buried a bit on the Avs behind Toews and Byram emerging but was a very good puck carrier and PPQB.
Toews is affordable and pretty great skater, puck mover but older than Byram. Don’t think he would be available.
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Put some respect on Rielly's name, he's the only defenseman in the league offensively skilled enough to make a 5 foot pass on the PP. I'm willing to tolerate him getting walked multiple times a game as long as he keeps making those passes for a 2nd assist.
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Not a chance. I don’t see a world where Liljegren ever scores more than 50
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Maybe, but all this talk feels like Shiny New Toy syndrome. He could, or he could be this boards whipping boy next year if he makes some playoff turnovers.
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To be fair to Rielly, he is legitimately elite at transitioning the puck and creating off the rush. But do you know who else is elite at creating off the rush? Every player Rielly is defending that night
And we’d save that money and might be a better six d group for it
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Yeah another team making an even worse mistake is never a justification for your own mistakes. Rielly making 7.5 million until 2030 is going to be brutal for the Leafs, and I'd be happier if he could be hurting another team instead
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This fan base is so ridiculous. There is no nuance. Either something is elite or it is garbage. Either the team is planning the parade or everyone needs to be traded and fired. We can't have multiple good players, one of the players must be elite and the other must be garbage.
Has Rielly had a rough start defensively? I won't argue it. But let's not ignore the hyperbole of pretending he is garbage. He's average defensively and elite offensively. Every single dman in the league makes mistakes (I mean we JUST came off a game where Slavin looked like a fool, imagine if that was Rielly?).
Lilly is going to be a real key piece for us. I think he realistically is a #3 dman, but with how young he is and his physical tools he honestly has realistic upside as a top pairing dman if he keeps taking steps forward. No one can answer if he will until we see how experience grows his game.
But he is certainly exciting as a player. Doesn't mean we need to break down another player to prop him up.
Has Rielly had a rough start defensively? I won't argue it. But let's not ignore the hyperbole of pretending he is garbage. He's average defensively and elite offensively. Every single dman in the league makes mistakes (I mean we JUST came off a game where Slavin looked like a fool, imagine if that was Rielly?).
Lilly is going to be a real key piece for us. I think he realistically is a #3 dman, but with how young he is and his physical tools he honestly has realistic upside as a top pairing dman if he keeps taking steps forward. No one can answer if he will until we see how experience grows his game.
But he is certainly exciting as a player. Doesn't mean we need to break down another player to prop him up.
He’s going to be better than rielly without a doubt in my mind so if his ceiling is a three what’s rielly right now?every number one or even good 2s elevate their partners games rielly never did that he always needed someone to stabilize his game that’s all the sign you need to understand that rielly is a second pair defencemen on a championship team
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That guy has no idea what he’s talking about. Rielly has had a slow start but he isn’t bad. Rielly is an elite offensive dman, to put up 60+ points as a dman is so hard.
I think Liljegren will be a solid piece for us but he’ll never be able to produce offensively like Rielly can while Rielly is in Toronto. I can’t see a scenario where Liljegren is going to score 60 or 70 points
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That would be great if we were a rush team but our top 2 C's are built to play heavy cycle games and Rielly is useless once we're set up in the zone. Plays die on his stick, he somehow only gets any power on his shot when he misses the net by a few feet and has the puck ricochet out of the zone.
Your entitled to your opinion as I am mine I juss happened to watch every leaf game in recent memory and rielly a great speed game good passer and an ok wrist shot to be nice and that’s it if you can name another part of his game that I missed I would love to hear it and if you can show me proof rather than be disrespectful I’d appreciate that as well you tell me a defensemen who’s game he elevated zaitsev n him were garbage together but gardiner and zaitsev actually looked good and got the hardest usage hainsey stabilized him Brodie stabilized him how’d he look with Barrie?don’t get me wrong he’s no where near holl bad he can defend but I would argue he’s an offensive defencemen and not a 2 way defender that’s okay since muzzin been here he’s taken over gardiners spot which was the dzone starts and heavy usage my friend those aren’t takes those are facts learn the difference me saying lily is gonna be better than him and rielly is a second pair dman without a defensive defencemen to STABILIZE him is also a fact MY FRIEND
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You still need players who can bring the puck up the ice, and Keefe has already talked about how much the defense struggles with that.
But I wasn't endorsing Rielly. I'm saying he's so bad at defending the rush, his offensive contributions don't even matter
