Is Keefe’s Job On The Line Against Chicago?

[justloveleafs]

Babcock took on the head coaching position at the university of saskatchewan....Pretty nice gig for him...

Does that affect his payments from the Leafs....

 

[Mess]

Just to enter some facts into evidence.

This Leafs start of 2-4-1 to start a year matches Leafs 2015 start where the Leafs finished 31st and last overall.

Leafs have scored 13 goals after 7 games which is 1.86 G/g and no Leafs team in a Salary Cap era from 2005 onward has ever produced this little offense including all the non playoff years.

But to answer the question ..No, Keefe is not getting fired should the Leafs lose to the last place Chicago Blackhawks which haven't won a game yet this year.

 

[Antropovsky]

Babcock took on the head coaching position at the university of saskatchewan....Pretty nice gig for him...

Does that affect his payments from the Leafs....

Definitely not. Only an idiot would stop taking millions of dollars to coach a university team in Saskatchewan.

 

[Mess]

Babcock took on the head coaching position at the university of saskatchewan....Pretty nice gig for him...

Does that affect his payments from the Leafs....

Nope he is volunteering his services while he continues to collect his $5.86 mil from the Leafs.

 

[Polaris1010]

1. Does Keefe have the ability to devise and implement a system that can make the Leafs a true SC contender
2. Does he have the confidence of the players (specifically the "stars") or have they tuned him out

Answer those 2 questions and you have your decision made for you.

This post is the entire thread, and the state of the team.

The players aren't stupid.

They realize by now, what the coaching staff wants them to do, that is not working.

It will not work anymore, and there are no other plans other than using Babcock strategies.

When the player have no confidence in the coach anymore, they automatically tune out. It's only human.

 

[Antropovsky]

Yep. Next up Tortorella...you didn't like Babs or Keefe, wait till you play for Tortorella.

 

[Clark4Ever]

I remember Leafs firing Burke who had hired Carlyle before Nonis/Carlyle/Horachek all went down.

The Burke firing was political though. It happened on the eve of the season which didn't make any sense from a logical or practical standpoint.

 

[Buds17]

There is precedent. The Leafs fired Ron Wilson back in I think 2012 just after giving him a contract extension.
This isn’t just about the 7 games this season or just about a losing streak, it is the pressure piled on top of repeated failures, year after year. Forget his regular season record, Keefe has been at the helm for two inexcusable quick playoff exits. The fans are desperately looking for something that shows an improvement from last season’s disastrous collapse against the Canadiens and instead we are seeing a regression. The fan base is angry and impatient and MLSE can’t afford to sit back and watch their investment in the brand wither away. Which is why if the Leafs lose tomorrow ownership will demand management do something even if it is the wrong thing or the stupid thing. And the quickest, easiest thing for management to do is to fire Keefe.

I don't know that the situations are the same though since Wilson never led the Leafs to the playoffs during his tenure behind the bench. Keefe has at least made that one step above with the team. The only way I likely see Keefe being in trouble at this time is through the firing of Dubas (and possibly Shanahan) and the new GM (and possibly President) has the authority and inclination to bring in their own selection as coach.

 

[BrannigansLaw]

Yep. Next up Tortorella...you didn't like Babs or Keefe, wait till you play for Tortorella.

Dubas is too woke to hire a hard ass like Torts. That would only happen if he’s canned like he should be.

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

Dubas didn't drag Keefe around from the Greyhounds to the Marlies to the Leafs to fire him within two years.

Plus, any team that eats through coaches that fast has issues beyond coaching.

What makes you think Dubas will be around long enough to make the call on Keefe?

 

[egd27]

Hard to argue but I wonder how much Dubas tells him how it's going to be. Like play 16 regardless - PP, PK whatever he wants

Watching All or Nothing, you could see Dubas trying to play the good cop in the guise of lightening the load of the coaching staff.

"Mik, we love what you're bringing."
"Mitch, want see where your head is, you're so important to us"
"Hey Sheldon, are you asking me how to handle the Matthews' media comments?"

The players know they can go to Dubas if they don't like what's going on in the room and he's gonna be their pal.

I'd bet money he tried that while Babcock was here and that was a major bone of contention that eventually had the team quitting on the coach

 

[francis246]

No and it shouldn’t be. This is on the players.

 

[The Best Leafs Ever]

Problem is Marner

 

[socko]

The only reason you would fire Keefe is if you were going to give Dubas another head coach. Good god I hope not. You guys need to do me a favor and bring Fire Shanahan signs to the games, maybe chant Fire Shanahan. That's where the focus should be. Otherwise, they'll probably screw up and only fire Dubas.

And you have to follow the chain of command. You shouldn't just fire everyone. That's dumb. The GM fires the coach. What if Keefe is the exact coach that the new GM wanted? What if the new GM doesn't want Keefe, but the new head coach just loves that strength coach you just fired. Chain of command. Follow it. Let them interview for the job first, before they get fired.

 

[DarkKnight]

Dubas is too woke to hire a hard ass like Torts. That would only happen if he’s canned like he should be.

Keefe doesn’t go without Dubas, it’s either both or nobody IMO.

 

[Mickey Marner]

What makes you think Dubas will be around long enough to make the call on Keefe?

His decision to run back an inadequate roster and hope for a different result didn't cost him his job this off-season, so I imagine Shanahan signed off on it. If the team quits on Keefe I expect a coaching change will be the last ditch effort before the inevitable structural changes.

 

[ShaneFalco]

Watching All or Nothing, you could see Dubas trying to play the good cop in the guise of lightening the load of the coaching staff.

"Mik, we love what you're bringing."
"Mitch, want see where your head is, you're so important to us"
"Hey Sheldon, are you asking me how to handle the Matthews' media comments?"

The players know they can go to Dubas if they don't like what's going on in the room and he's gonna be their pal.

I'd bet money he tried that while Babcock was here and that was a major bone of contention that eventually had the team quitting on the coach

Mik wants a trade - should have moved him immediately not tried to appease him. Is nothing earned now? Especially when he goes right to Dubas

 

[HamiltonNHL]

Dubas is too woke to hire a hard ass like Torts. That would only happen if he’s canned like he should be.

Absolutely this.

Too risky for MLSE.

 

[New Liskeard]

Nope he is volunteering his services while he continues to collect his $5.86 mil from the Leafs.

Regardless of what some may think. im sure the MLSE board was not happy having to pay a coach not to coach the Leafs anymore, especially at that cost. To then do it again and have two coaches on the payroll, not coaching the Leafs seems very unlikely. MLSE does not have an endless amount of cash, its sound business decisions, that have made them successful. I'll bet the huge signing bonuses handed out have not gone unnoticed by the board as the team underperforms.

 

[Commander Clueless]

Yep. Next up Tortorella...you didn't like Babs or Keefe, wait till you play for Tortorella.

While it's probably way too early to switch coaches again...if ever there was a team that needed Torts, it's the current Leafs.

Guy's an ass, but we could use someone like that right about now.

 

[Crows Eye]

I don't know that the situations are the same though since Wilson never led the Leafs to the playoffs during his tenure behind the bench. Keefe has at least made that one step above with the team.

Keefe inherited a team with far more talent on paper than Wilson. I feel like some people here are trying to gaslight the rest of us. This is a team that since Tavares arrived was supposed to be a cup contender, not a team that is happy just to make the playoffs. They are carrying the weight of getting bumped from the first round five years straight and a massive collapse against Montreal last Spring. They looked lost and uninspired this year. A loss to Chicago combined with the previous four losses and the humiliation in Pittsburgh will be a statement from the players that they have given up on Keefe.

 

[GardinerTheForward]

Why does Mathews get a pass ? almost every year I here about how he's coming 0ff this or that . never seen him block a shot , never seen him hound on the PK , never even seen him initiate a hit let alone nut up for himself , how many times has he led the team in points ? The first year they were in the league Marner spent half the season playing on the 4th line with scrubs and Mathews only manages 6 points more than him so why always the excuses for the don't give a !@#$ American and nothing but hate for the Canadian kid who works his backside off and plays in all situations even the crappy ones ? You guys ever think about who and what exactly is poisoning the culture of this team ?

He scores goals. Not that f***ing hard. Ovi doesn’t play defence either. Thats what bitches like mikeyev are for

 

[ANDI P IS CUTE]

IN ORDER OF FIRE INTO THE SUN.

Marner. Dubas. Shanahan. Keefe.

 

[Lenovs]

it's a hypothetical question because they'll beat the hawks and the wings and then triumphantly tell us about their progress and getting back en route.

if i was in charge i'd make it clear that if keefe fails the core has failed and there'll be drastic changes for everyone within the next year. just to remind this group of coachkillers that stupidly playing again around has consequences (well, at least it should - we're still talking about mlse).

 

[forecheck]

The logical play is Shanahan will fire Dubas and hire a new GM - Shanahan will then slide back into the background - The new GM will make a few moves and allow Keefe to handle the team until he cant anymore - The New GM will have his opportunity to bring in his guy --- and then the clock starts on the New GM... Thats how it works Boys and Girls - !