Is it time to change the name of the trophies awarded?

[FrostyNomad]

The only award name that needs to change is the Norris. It should be named: Art Ross Part 2: This time for Defencemen

 

[Spitfire11]

They should just sell the naming rights every 5 years like everything else. It’s already turned into a clown show league.

Colgate award
Ronald McDonald award
Monsanto award
Nike award

Think of the $$$ to be made!

 

[Zach716]

Of the people that are adamantly opposed to name changes, I'm kinda curious how many know that it used to be called the Campell and Wales conferences with the Norris, Smythe, Adams and Patrick divisions.

I'm not saying all the trophies need to change necessarily, but it's not like it hasn't already happened in the league.

I don’t think that really brings forward the point you were trying for. Most people wouldn’t know anything about Campbell and Wales because there’s nothing spotlighting it now.

 

[jigglysquishy]

Of the people that are adamantly opposed to name changes, I'm kinda curious how many know that it used to be called the Campell and Wales conferences with the Norris, Smythe, Adams and Patrick divisions.

I'm not saying all the trophies need to change necessarily, but it's not like it hasn't already happened in the league.

I would love to bring those back.

 

[DeletedUser539]

Change the goal scoring trophy to the Mike Bossy award? Highest GPG average in NHL history.

Winning a bossy sounds kinda right

 

[beowulf]

????? George Vesina player 19 nhl games

Georges Vezina Stats, Height, Weight, Position, Title | Hockey-Reference.com

Checkout the latest stats of Georges Vezina. Get info about his position, age, height, weight, trade, draft and more on Hockey-Reference.com

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Many hockey sites have incomplete data on players due to the fact it was not tracked to closely

and sometimes they do no link the stats correctly, While hockeyDB has him at 99 they for whatever reasons do not have 3 of his seasons listed.

Also factor in during Vezina's days teams only played 24 games a year usually

190 NHL games but also 138 in the NHA the NHL before the NHL existed.

SEASON
AWARDS BY SEASON

• 1910-1911
  • NHA Best GAA (3.80)
• 1911-1912
  • NHA Best GAA (3.57)
• 1913-1914
  • NHA Best GAA (3.14)
• 1915-1916
  • NHA Best GAA (3.08)
  • NHA Stanley Cup Champion
• 1917-1918
  • NHL Best GAA (3.93)
  • NHL Most Shutouts (1)
  • NHL Most Wins (12)
• 1923-1924
  • NHL Best GAA (1.97)
  • NHL Most Shutouts (3)
  • NHL Stanley Cup Champion
• 1924-1925
  • NHL Best GAA (1.81)
• 1945-1946
  • Hockey Hall of Fame

 

[Jeune Poulet]

This feels like a proposed change that nobody is really asking for.

Some people are.

Who really gets worked up about who the trophy is named after?

The traditionalists in this thread.

For example, the Norris Trophy simply means most outstanding d-man to me. The name is just a side note

Yeah, that's kind of the point. We could make the trophies more meaningful if they were namesd after people who had a larger impact on ice.

 

[Leafsfan74]

Yes. Maybe add a couple as well.

Art Ross- Wayne Gretzky Trophy
Lester B Pearson- Mario Lemieux Trophy

"Defensive Defenseman" Norris Trophy- Doug Harvey Trophy
"Offensive Defenseman"- Bobby Orr Trophy

"Biggest diver award"- The Tampa Bay Lightning Trophy

 

[Machinehead]

Anybody you name them after is probably a racist. We're talking about hockey here.

 

[Wee Baby Seamus]

Without knowing specifics those executives are the ones who, presumably, made the foundation so that hockey players today can enjoy a life in luxury playing a game for a living just saying.

Very disrespectful to change trophy names etc in general, same goes for tearing down statues and what not. In my opinion that is.

Wouldn't mind if they added a couple of new trophies like most points for dmen, most assists etc.

most of these executives who awards are named after fought tooth and nail to try and prevent hockey players making a decent living, let alone a luxury. please read a wikipedia page, let alone a book, before making stupid presumptions "without knowing specifics"

 

[GlassesJacketShirt]

What people want: Change names from dead execs to players

What would happen: Change names from dead execs to corporate donors

As always, be careful what you wish for.

 

[Machinehead]

Also since Norris has essentially become best offensive D man I'd add a trophy for best defensive D

Then the Norris can revert to being the best all-around defenseman (something fans have complained about for decades)

The only award name that needs to change is the Norris. It should be named: Art Ross Part 2: This time for Defencemen

I honestly don't get where this comes from at all.

The points leader has only won the Norris 11 times in the last 30 years. I would argue that points leader has been pretty egregiously snubbed a few times out of the other 19 years.

Some examples:

-Lidstrom had 11 more points than Pronger in 2000
-Chelios wasn't top 3 in scoring in 1996 including Leetch having 13 more points
-Chara was 12th in scoring in 2009 and Mike Green had 23 more points
-2016 has been done to death but Doughty was 10th in scoring and Karlsson had THIRTY-ONE more points
-Leetch led defensemen in scoring and wasn't even a finalist
-Visnovsky led defensemen in scoring and wasn't even a finalist
-Gonchar led defensemen in scoring and wasn't even a finalist TWICE

 

[Jumptheshark]

Anybody you name them after is probably a racist. We're talking about hockey here.

I was going to say this. All players have skeletons in their closets

Brett hull put it best when he said if social media was around in the 80s and 90s, most players would gave been banned or suspended

 

[JianYang]

Some people are.

The traditionalists in this thread.


Yeah, that's kind of the point. We could make the trophies more meaningful if they were namesd after people who had a larger impact on ice.

Changing the trophy name doesn't make it any more or less meaningful.

The titles don't change even if the names do.

 

[Jeune Poulet]

Changing the trophy name doesn't make it any more or less meaningful.

The titles don't change even if the names do.

Glad to hear that. So if it doesn't make them any less meaningful, we don't need to stick to these mostlly irrelevant names, when there are far more deserving people!

We need a James Norris trophy for... why exactly? It's ridiculous. That guy wouldn't even make the top 50 list of people who deserve the trophy named after him.

I believe in the next few years, the NHL should (and I suspect they might eventually) name a committee to review the more important individuals who have contributed to hockey and honor the true heroes of the game rather than deep pocketed suits.

While on the subject, I also agree with others that it is time to add a second defenseman award and maybe a playmaker trophy.

 

[JianYang]

Glad to hear that. So if it doesn't make them any less meaningful, we don't need to stick to these mostlly irrelevant names, when there are far more deserving people!

We need a James Norris trophy for... why exactly? It's ridiculous. That guy wouldn't even make the top 50 list of people who deserve the trophy named after him.

I believe in the next few years, the NHL should (and I suspect they might eventually) name a committee to review the more important individuals who have contributed to hockey and honor the true heroes of the game rather than deep pocketed suits.

While on the subject, I also agree with others that it is time to add a second defenseman award and maybe a playmaker trophy.

I see what you're saying, and there's nothing wrong with it, but I think the issue is so inconsequential that I'm not going to put anymore time into into it.

 

[Habs10025]

The names of the awards likely won't change but if they did one of the awards should be named Mario Lemieux .
Hart Trophy - W. Gretzky
Art Ross - G. Howe or M. Lemieux
Conn Smythe - P. Roy ( He's won the award more than any player .)
Selke - B. Gainey ( Maybe ? )
Calder - T. Selanne
Lady Bing - R. Francis ( Always under appreciated )
Norris - B. Orr
Masterson - M. Lemieux ( Maybe ? )
Rocket - M. Richard
Vezina - D. Hasek
Lindsay - T . Lindsay or M. Lemieux
Adams - S. Bowman

 

[TheOtherOne]

I like the premise of this thread, but if there was a "Gretzky award", nobody would ever deserve to win it.

 

[End on a Hinote]

Your math hurts my head.

LOL I literally realized my error as I got I work, too late to fix it

 

[psycat]

most of these executives who awards are named after fought tooth and nail to try and prevent hockey players making a decent living, let alone a luxury. please read a wikipedia page, let alone a book, before making stupid presumptions "without knowing specifics"

Think there are more important things to read about than the history of a game turning into a freakshow in which spoiled people earn fantasy sums for doing nothing of importance.

Anyway educate me and tell me what they did that's so bad that the names should be changed instead of acting like a complete asshat.

 

[kingsholygrail]

Most Goals Trophy
Most Points Trophy
League MVP
Player MVP
Goalie MVP
Defenseman MVP
Playoff MVP
The Big Cup Trophy
Lowest PIM Trophy
Overcoming Adversity Award
Least Goals Against Trophy
Coach MVP
GM MVP

There, sanitized.

 

[GMR]

Hart - Howe
Vezina - Sawchuk
Norris - Lidstrom
Selke - Fedorov
Calder - Seider
Jack Adams - Bowman

Just some suggested changes.

 

[Sniper99]

Only trophy needing changing is the Mark Messier stroking his ego award. We can just all agree to stop doing that and pretend it never happened…..just like Messier does with his Vancouver stint.

They should sell the name of the trophy every year to the highest bidder for a sponsorship. Imagine the prestigious “Arby’s award for guy who scored the most points. He has the meats.”

We definitely dont need that. Do you want the FanDuel award being given to Makar for best dman or the Rogers trophy replacing the Presidents trophy

 

[Section 104]

Conn Smyth was a patriot who fought in both world wars and was wounded in the second. He Looms large in the history of several teams in the early NHL. He didn’t care much for French-Canadians but their support of the war effort was pretty weak because France surrendered in 1940…
‘Who is Jeff Marek and has he ever done anything besides call People with more accomplishments nasty names?

 

[BigEezyE22]

The names of the awards likely won't change but if they did one of the awards should be named Mario Lemieux .
Hart Trophy - W. Gretzky
Art Ross - G. Howe or M. Lemieux
Conn Smythe - P. Roy ( He's won the award more than any player .)
Selke - B. Gainey ( Maybe ? )
Calder - T. Selanne
Lady Bing - R. Francis ( Always under appreciated )
Norris - B. Orr
Masterson - M. Lemieux ( Maybe ? )
Rocket - M. Richard
Vezina - D. Hasek
Lindsay - T . Lindsay or M. Lemieux
Adams - S. Bowman

When you look at the big picture, the Hart, Masterson, and Lindsay should all be named after Lemieux.