Is it time for a Canadian only professional hockey league?

[KingsFan7824]

3 actually.

Canadian teams won’t win the Cup again.

Sorry, I meant post-cap. Which has kept most Canadian franchises viable.

Can't forget about the Canadian Assistance Plan, initiated in the Bettman era, to help most Canadian teams exist.

 

[WarriorofTime]

Small market teams would not exist without the stupid sportnets contract, add the montreal and toronto money and the nhl is dead.

it would make for a weird league thats for sure.

Not dead… just smaller. There are a ton of big markets. Top end players won’t be making $12 million that’s for sure.

 

[Kranix]

People who get misty-eyed watching the Part of Our Heritage Short about Joe Shuster think the Canadian people own the Stanley Cup.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Sorry, I meant post-cap. Which has kept most Canadian franchises viable.

Can't forget about the Canadian Assistance Plan, initiated in the Bettman era, to help most Canadian teams exist.

But it's not really equal footing when considering taxes and whatnot.

It also certainly didn't elevate that many of the less spendy franchises given the Cup winners in the cap era.

 

[WarriorofTime]

Only idea in my mind would be to close some of the tax loopholes to the desirable places which puts everyone on the same playing field salary/take home wise.

I mean would you rather sea-doo to practice in shorts and then go for a quick round of golf with the boys all while no one really knows who you are in Tampa....and take home WAY more. Or fight through Winnipeg traffic, potholes, cold weather and being hounded by every fan annnnnd take home less money?

Close tax loopholes? Better write to congressmen.

 

[x Tame Impala]

And there it is

Pretend that they're playing on the same field as George McPhee or brisebois.

You think pietrangelo ever considered signing with Edmonton or Toronto? Did McPhee just out gm them?

Live and die by the excuses you make. There are many clear-cut examples of poor Canadian management. Throw your hands up and whine about taxes or the like but many Canadian teams shoot themselves in the feet constantly.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Cool, you're missing the point

No, the point is that a lot of these Canadian teams have been given every opportunity to contend, they just have shitty management.

The Oilers have been gifted numerous top picks including 2 of the best players that the NHL has seen in a long time. They can't draft for shit beyond those high picks though, which is why they have no depth and no supporting cast for their stars. That's bad management. The Leafs have also similarly gotten terrific luck with high picks and have also gotten Toronto-born players to sign in Toronto for discounted prices.

Mentioning those two as teams who have been "wronged" by being in Canada is downright hilarious. I could maybe grant you someone like Winnipeg as having a distinct disadvantage, but the Oilers and Leafs have been given pretty much everything they need to build a cup contending team. They just haven't done that.

Think McDavid sticks around if they don't put 12.5 million in front of him?

You mean less than he would have gotten on the open market?

 

[EpochLink]

Jesus f***ing Christ this thread, peoples feelings all upset because of Canada’s lack of Stanley cups in 30 years.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Live and die by the excuses you make. There are many clear-cut examples of poor Canadian management. Throw your hands up and whine about taxes or the like but many Canadian teams shoot themselves in the feet constantly.

Both things can be true. Canadian teams are forced to spend more to keep talent because of taxes.

No, the point is that a lot of these Canadian teams have been given every opportunity to contend, they just have shitty management.

The Oilers have been gifted numerous top picks including 2 of the best players that the NHL has seen in a long time. They can't draft for shit beyond those high picks though, which is why they have no depth and no supporting cast for their stars. That's bad management. The Leafs have also similarly gotten terrific luck with high picks and have also gotten Toronto-born players to sign in Toronto for discounted prices.

Mentioning those two as teams who have been "wronged" by being in Canada is downright hilarious. I could maybe grant you someone like Winnipeg as having a distinct disadvantage, but the Oilers and Leafs have been given pretty much everything they need to build a cup contending team. They just haven't done that.



You mean less than he would have gotten on the open market?

At that time people were calling it an overpayment, so I don't know about that.

 

[Empoleon8771]

At that time people were calling it an overpayment, so I don't know about that.

And Chiarreli said that it could have been for more money and less term when it was signed.

Who cares what fans say about the deal?

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

And Chiarreli said that it could have been for more money and less term when it was signed.

Who cares what fans say about the deal?

I mean sure, it could've been. Chiarelli gave him a blank cheque, thankfully McDavid picked something semi-reasonable.

But he's not going to stick around once his contract's up.

Ever notice how the generational talents don't go to Canada if they're not drafted up there? Crosby and Ovi are quite happy where they are.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

I don’t know if I’d call sitting at the kiddie table all that relevant. You think players want to play in Winnipeg or Vegas?

Or edmonton and calgary lmfao

 

[Empoleon8771]

I mean sure, it could've been. Chiarelli gave him a blank cheque, thankfully McDavid picked something semi-reasonable.

But he's not going to stick around once his contract's up.

Ever notice how the generational talents don't go to Canada if they're not drafted up there? Crosby and Ovi are quite happy where they are.

Yes, because Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania is such an amazing destination that Crosby just has to stay there. It is solely because of being in Pittsburgh that he has stayed!!

 

[Duddy]

It's weird that some Canadians always flex how great of a hockey nation they are, with the players being treated like gods making the ad cash. And now we're back worrying about tax loopholes in the states?

Hmmm. It sucks when your team doesn't win, it's not US vs Canada it's city vs. city, team vs team.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Yes, because Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania is such an amazing destination that Crosby just has to stay there. It is solely because of being in Pittsburgh that he has stayed!!

If he was a UFA, what are the odds he'd go to a Canadian team?

 

[WarriorofTime]

I mean sure, it could've been. Chiarelli gave him a blank cheque, thankfully McDavid picked something semi-reasonable.

But he's not going to stick around once his contract's up.

Ever notice how the generational talents don't go to Canada if they're not drafted up there? Crosby and Ovi are quite happy where they are.

Crosby was on a team that started winning quickly in his career. No reason to leave. Ovechkin signed a 13 year deal when that was allowed. So he couldn’t really leave even if he stopped believing at some point before they broke through.

If McDavid leaves it’s probably because he doesn’t believe in what they’ve built around him by that point.

 

[x Tame Impala]

Both things can be true. Canadian teams are forced to spend more to keep talent because of taxes.


At that time people were calling it an overpayment, so I don't know about that.

You realize it's also very very expensive to live in California/Chicago/New York/Seattle/Miami yeah? That income tax isn't the only tax in the states and there are a plethora of factors that contribute into your cost of living in any given city?

If what you're saying is true then it sounds like maybe there shouldn't be as many Canadian teams if they struggle to bring in players so severely.

 

[Empoleon8771]

If he was a UFA, what are the odds he'd go to a Canadian team?

Now you're just making up nonsense hypotheticals to support your point. Generational talents don't go to Canada because generational talents very rarely leave their main teams.

Also it's hilarious that you're bringing up this point as if Tavares didn't leave the NYI to sign with his hometown Leafs.

 

[Bear of Bad News]

what is going on with all these threads about Canadian teams? lmao

 

[Chainshot]

LNAH?

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Now you're just making up nonsense hypotheticals to support your point. Generational talents don't go to Canada because generational talents very rarely leave their main teams.

Also it's hilarious that you're bringing up this point as if Tavares didn't leave the NYI to sign with his hometown Leafs.

He did.

...For a huge overpayment.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

I refuse to believe these Canadian NHL nationalists creating these threads are real people surely they are agents sent on HFboards to make us look bad

 

[Empoleon8771]

He did.

...For a huge overpayment.

San Jose was offering more money to Tavares when he signed in Toronto.

 

[Frank Drebin]

Live and die by the excuses you make. There are many clear-cut examples of poor Canadian management. Throw your hands up and whine about taxes or the like but many Canadian teams shoot themselves in the feet constantly.

Can it not be both? Are we really looking at 30 years of Canadian mismanagement?

Canucks are the closest thing to a desirable city in Canada in the NHL. No players look to sign here unless for some weird,rare coming home thing.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

San Jose was offering more money to Tavares when he signed in Toronto.

Do you have a source on that?