Bear of Bad News
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You don't want to...what? What is that you don't want to do?
Is it time for a Canadian only professional hockey league?
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You don't want to...what? What is that you don't want to do?
Nope even then if they don't trade Joe Thornton the wouldn't have had the cap room for Chara and Savard, and without Chara they don't win the 2011.
They needed Thornton
Arthur Morgan
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I dont want to include anything. I said what I said and that's how I feel. I dont care to try and prove to everyone that I'm right or wrong. it's not that important. so it's a simple agree or disagree situation.
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Bear of Bad News
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I don't care what you want to include. I'm telling you what the behavioral phenomenon is that you're experiencing. It's called confirmation bias.
You don't have to include a damn thing.
Arthur Morgan
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oh Im sorry then I dunno I never heard of that before. I thought you were asking me to include something.
well I'm a dumbass lmao
sorry
Bear of Bad News
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No need to apologize. You'd probably enjoy the work of Daniel Kahneman - not to give you homework, but his work in behavioral economics explains most of this.
Not hard caps with gauranteed contracts and canadian travel affect if your ability to claim your taxes in a tax free state.
Luxury tax, cutting players, restructuring contracts are all things they do in other leagues.
It’s completely different. Not even remotely comparable other than the titles
Arthur Morgan
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ooooh, got my Like option back. I will for sure look into it.
I also know my thoughts are wrong. but it just feels sometimes the NHL is against Canadian markets so much I have a hard time not seeing it that way.
the idea not a single canadian cup win since Bettman came in. multiple canadian cup winners or well atleast 2 off the top of my head in 89 and 93 then squat ever since.
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Apparently agents GMs players media and tax specialists also don’t understand how taxes work.
Non traditional markets can be good? Of course.since the reduction of the cheater years on contracts that big market teams used to use. Now the finalists have been
Nashville
Vegas
Tampa and dallas
Tampa
Tampa
And at least 1 more
Presidents trophies have been Tampa, nashville, Florida
You were talking about numbers and odds and anomalies..::
You are now not anymore… why?
18% of the league has won like 50% of the presidents trophies and has been in 86% of the finals.
It’s possible that 2 of the last 4 finals will be 100% no tax teams.
That’s not an anomaly?
Lady Stanley
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I'd be fine with that if your definition of a bad gm isn't one who unable to convince someone to work for less money in a climate they don't enjoy.
I sincerly wish EA sports had the nerve to put that into their game.
Q: "would you like to take less money for worst weather?"
A) "I'd love to play hockey in Canada it's not about the money or the weather, but you failed to convinced me it isn't about the money and weather so I'm gonna have to decline".
B) "You convinced me I don't care about money or weather, despite it being one of the primary concern of most functional adults"
Canadian teams can't even draft the best player, they have to draft players they think they can retain.
Either you don't understand taxation/weather affects recruitment or deep down you know there's no way a Canadian team can compete.
They're always 10millin + short on the real post tax salary cap. And it isn't just paying more, it's having so little leverage in trades/ and negotiations. Every gm/agent in the league knows you can bleed a Canadian team dry.
The Salary cap was the end of Canadian hockey.
The reality is no one wants to admit how little tax these guys are actually paying at the federal level. If even Trump is complaining about it, of all frickin people you know it's absurd.
The weather bit applies to American teams as well.
I mean it's funny no one has calculated the stat, but you know that southern teams are severly overrepresented in the finals.
We literally have 4 sunbelt teams in the playoffs right now. 2 of which have won cups and it'll likely soon to be 3.
And like Vegas literally makes some of the craziest trades in the league and they know they will never have to face the consequences of that due to taxes and weather.
It's just outrageous.
When 3 of the top5 teams revenue-wise seem to be Canadian (see link) I do not think that a Canadian league would be on par with SPHL... Actually, a Canadian league may even have a higher salary cap than the NHL.
USA is not really that big of a market when it comes to NHL.
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No, 2 of the last 4 finals being no-tax teams is not an anomaly. You do understand that the no-state tax states have been that way for a long time, right?
I didn't stop talking about numbers and odds, but it seems like a waste of time to talk about them with someone who clearly doesn't understand them. Not to mention state taxes or the jock tax either.
You've already drawn your conclusion and are using flawed logic and deeply flawed statistical analysis to try and support it. There's really no point in discussing it with someone who already has their mind made up and is holding up random events as proof. I might as well be arguing with a flat-earther.
Lady Stanley
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I mean it's literally something that should be covered in business 101.
The league created a business model that was explicitly created to fuel southern expansion.
They state it almost every time they can. You have the same people talking smack about Canadian whinning who 10 minutes from now will be justifying why these southern markets should be given all these perks.
Logically a business model steers the outcome of your franchises in a particular direction .
I mean a great example is how easy it was to get an expansion franchise in the early 90s when the Canadian economy was going to hell. Anaheim and Jersey were both allowed inside other big city's markets. And as soon as the Canadian economy bounced back, they pretty much put a full stop on expansion.
The Oilers try to do a competitive rebuild, and the leagues response is to change the draft lottery system.
Even in the current era, I'm sure if you dig you'll find the cap freeze arrangement is all based around favoring southern markets.
MikeyMike01
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No. "Independent events" here means that the outcome of the first event does not affect the odds of the future events. The odds of independent events occurring consecutively are calculated by multiplying the individual probabilities.
As in, the odds of multiple coin flips in a row being heads is (1/2)^n
WarriorofTime
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lol, a small city in Edmonton, Alberta, Canada had a parade of 1st overalls that ended with the best player in 30 years to fix up their decade of incompetence. But sure thing, it's all rigged.
Golden_Jet
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Try a bigger sample size, then let us know.
Say since Gary started, so 92/93 season.
No tax states isn’t a new thing.
Arthur Morgan
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Edmonton also had like 25-50% chance to win 1st overall and 100% for 2nd overall.
it was between Edmonton and Buffalo for McDavid. dont think they really cared.
MikeyMike01
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The math doesn't exclusively apply to Canada. You can pick any 7 teams and have the same 99.9% odds.
The point is: the cup isn't random. Not every team has the same odds.
Golden_Jet
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They won to many lotteries, the new rules are actually better, as the worst team can only fall to third now, instead of 4th. Only 2 lottery wins in 5 years now, also better.
Huh?
Players getting full signing bonus contracts salary caps a retirement contracts started in 2013….
Teams could outspend or add cheater years on before…. Since they learned to exploit the loophole it has been way over represented
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Lady Stanley
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Are you like literally Paul Bissonette?
They literally changed the draft rules when they saw what the Oilers did.
You literally are describing the textbook example about how the league is dead set on not letting Canadian teams get ahead.
You come to this thread continually making up straw man arguments or leaching onto the worst posts in a string of messages to come up with a narrative.
the league isn't doing sneaky things behind the scenes, they're outright telling you they're doing these things, again and again.
Thing is I know you're not stupid, you know deep down that what is is. You spend too much time talking about sports where you're entitled to get on with irrational super bias short sighted opinions.
But take an external viewpoint like you're actually trying to keep a job and look respectable.
