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What we can say is that he’s at the very minimum, is a generational vegetable.Also, why is he named like a vegetable?
What we can say is that he’s at the very minimum, is a generational vegetable.Also, why is he named like a vegetable?
What about Makar’s first two seasons doesn’t ‘stand out’?
8th in Norris voting as a rookie. 2nd in Norris voting in year two. Best point per game total by a defenceman in their first 100 games in the cap era. Currently 7th all-time in playoff points per game through his first 35 postseason games.
This is some special stuff. Talking like he’s nowhere near Karlsson is just silly.
35 and 100 games, looool.
Dahlin just got the most points EVER as an NHL defensemen in scoring in their teens. Heiskanan LEAD HIS TEAM IN POINTS going near PPG as a 20 year old defensemen all the way to the cup finals and he's better defensively than Makar.
Makar hasn't even truly stood out that much against his peers, let alone generationally. Smh. The bar has been set really low apparently. Makar is clear cut top 3-5 defender in the league and he's a franchise defender. People seem to forget that there are a handful of generational talents, or less, in 20-30 year span; hence the word, generational. It's extremely hard to do/be.
Generational also means longevity. If we talking prime, one can argument Tim Thomas generational because of his unbelievable peak or few year performances, it's about a good amount of prime of domination relative to peers. Makar doesn't even have a Norris lool.
I'd hope he has a much better career than Karlsson, who by the way is absolutely not borderline generational or even close.The only thing I’m saying is, Makar could have a Karlsson like career. It’s certainly possible. Karlsson’s really only a borderline generational defenceman at this point anyways.
Nobody!?? Lol- you just yada yada'd one of the greatest goal scorers ever. Bobby Hull scored over 900 goals as a pro. If you want to completely discount the whl, pretend he retired say...he scored 600 and left the nhl while he was still one of the best goal scorers in the league. He put up the 3rd, 4th, 5th and 6th... 50 goal seasons in history, at a time when nobody else was doing it (obviously).Much like Ovechkin/Sid, sometimes they are born within years of each other. From Howe to Orr was a 20 year gap with nobody. & lets just say McDavid plays polo for a living and doesn't care for hockey, we'd be at almost 20 years now since Sid/Ovy came into the league with no generational players since.
Karlssons peak was absolutely on the brink of being generational?I'd hope he has a much better career than Karlsson, who by the way is absolutely not borderline generational or even close.
Not sure I really agree, but anyways that's not the point I'm disputing. You stated that 'Karlsson's really only a borderline generational Dman' which is a statement I don't agree with. Maybe if that part of his career had lasted longer..Karlssons peak was absolutely on the brink of being generational?
Are you intending on putting Ray Bourque and Paul Coffey on the same level as defensemen? If so, that is extremely wrong.
If Makar has the career of Karlsson minus the injuries that would be incredible for the Avs. I think overall you’re underrating how good Karlsson was at his peak.Not sure I really agree, but anyways that's not the point I'm disputing. You stated that 'Karlsson's really only a borderline generational Dman' which is a statement I don't agree with. Maybe if that part of his career had lasted longer..
Makar unbelievable but he has been very fortunate to come into league straight into contender with top 3 hockey player and amazing depth. Not willing to give him any title such as the above without a Norris or two and a serious leading playoff contribution in the next 3 years. Anything less is not generational.
For example, 2 years ago he had 15 points in 15 playoff games. But that was good for 5th on the team; puts things into perspective. Nothing like EK's 2017 carry.
This is completely misinformed.
Makar is 22, tied for 4th in scoring on his team last year playing on a cup favourite. Karlsson already had a Norris at 21(youngest ever alongside Orr) and was 2nd on his team in points with huge gap with 3rd place playing on middling team.
Don't compare Makar to EK yet, they no where near the same level for now when compared to EK's prime. Talk to me when he has a Norris.
Karlssons peak was absolutely on the brink of being generational?
Not really if one looks closely at it.
He had a great peak but won his first Norris by a mere 12 voting points, one of the closest races ever without looking then his second Norris it wasn't as close but Doughty in second place had 9 more first place votes that year.
I mean it's a good run but playoffs were okay and then his one outstanding postseason.
For the 2010's he is in the mix for best Dman along with Keith and Doughty.
Throw in the early slow start and falling off the cliff lately and his light appears less bright.
fox has a norris in his first 2 seasons. Heiskanen had 26 points in a 27 game playoff run to the cup finals.Quick name the Dmen in the NHL who had a better start to their first 2 NHL season or first 3 years in the playoffs or by age 22?
He did struggle with Dallas and Vegas in his own end. He's young though. But he doesn't thrive when the game gets heavy. Thats not a knock on him, but we see guys like Hedman where they can play in all situations and all types of games. Makar still needs to develop that and separate himself from guys like Fox/McAvoy to be considered generational. Then prove he can control the game better than guys like Hedman did in their prime. People are trying to hand out the generational tag like candy now. Every draft we have a new generational player it seems. He has the talent to do it but he hasn't taken the torch and ran away with it like McDavid did. Makar is 4 full seasons post draft its not like hes 20 years old. Hes gonna be 23 this season.Tell me you haven’t watched Cale Makar, without actually telling me you haven’t watched Cale Makar.
Serious question - was Bobby Orr a shutdown defender? I only know about his offense, but know little about his defense.
It’s worth watching Makar’s shifts with the Avs 4th line for those that think he’s dependent on anyone else to tilt the ice and produce offence.
Makar was on the ice for a higher rate of goals at 5v5 with Pierre Edouard Bellemare, than he was with Nathan MacKinnon. He also had a higher expected goals for % while playing with Bellemare.
I’m not even sure MacKinnon and Makar have that great of chemistry together. When they play together, one of them has the puck less, which gives them less opportunity to break down the defence with their skating.
Opposing fans bases are going to be slower to pick up on this, but Makar is a rarer talent than MacKinnon.
There is so much wrong in this post. It just shows how little you watch him play.Makar is a dynamic defensemen.
But let's wait until he wins a Norris or two before he is considered at this level?
To me, his trajectory is like Erik Karlsson right now. I considered Karlsson the best in the world for many years and I think Karlsson is a Hall of Famer.
But Makar isn't Bobby Orr. He isn't even Raymond Bourque. Neither was Karlsson.
As much as this may go against popular opinion, Makar IS NOT the perfect defenseman.
He is small and can get overpowered against bigger and stronger forwards.
I have seen it happen in the playoffs whenever Makar faces teams with bigger forwards and stronger forechecks.
He can obviously improve since he is so young.
But his lack of size and physical strength is something he will have to find a way to compensate for if he ever should be considered amongst the "generational class".
Makar is starting to become over-rated by fans and the media, and that is unfair for him considering how young he is. People are rating him as the best thing since Orr, and he isn't that. Not yet, at least.
Let things play out before anointing him with such hype and status.