Why do we have to try to slap “generational” tags on players? Why can’t a player be just elite and leave it that? It doesn’t matter whether he is or isn’t. He is pretty elite, and that’s all.
Generational talent =/= Generational career
I'd argue E. Karlsson has (had) the former, but not the latter.
People are saying that Makar benefits from playing with an All-Star cast; however, I don't find him overly reliant on his teammates. Makar isn't deferring the puck and getting phantom points or anything. Sure, he might have less points, but Makar would perform just as well on a weaker team.
You really think so? You think he would play as well on say Vancouver where he would have very little insulation?
If Lidstrom is not considered generational, then you have to seriously debate whether Crosby/Ovechkin/McDavid should be considered generational. You really cannot have any defensemen that qualify as generational in the future if Lidstrom is not considered to have reached that level.
Too early still but if he wins at least 3 Norris in the next 5 year it can be a discussion.
How many of them finished 2nd in the Norris voting in his second season? Yea Fox won the Norris but if someone pointed a gun at your head and asked you who wins the Norris next year you’d be stupid to not say Makar. Vegas odds reflect that.Isn't this statement probably true of every single man, woman, and child in the world - if they win at least three Norris in the next five years, we would discuss them as generational?
Lidstrom isn't generational, he didn't win his first norris until he was like 30. Generational players come in right away and let you know they are generational, and outside of bobby orr, generational players have all played center for obvious reasons.
Lidstrom isn't generational, he didn't win his first norris until he was like 30. Generational players come in right away and let you know they are generational, and outside of bobby orr, generational players have all played center for obvious reasons.
Some guys play at a generational level but yea, good point. Duration and consistency are a huge part of that.Erik Karlsson looked like a generational Dman at one point but then he started trending down before he even reached age 30.
That said Makar looks like the best Offensive Dman right now.
Lidstrom was generational, he dominated for such a long time. He peaked late but so did Hasek and he was generational too.
Isn't this statement probably true of every single man, woman, and child in the world - if they win at least three Norris in the next five years, we would discuss them as generational?
It doesn't help your point when immediately after you need to try and discredit Fox for doing something Makar hasn't yet. Just saying.How many of them finished 2nd in the Norris voting in his second season? Yea Fox won the Norris but if someone pointed a gun at your head and asked you who wins the Norris next year you’d be stupid to not say Makar. Vegas odds reflect that.
Is it that crazy to think Makar could win the Norris, Cup and gold medal all next season?
To be fair Lemiuex and Gretzky have a gap on the rest of the Generational talents. They sit at the top on their own.Hasek won the Hart 3 times, so did Orr. These are generational players. The Norris is a huge reputation award, as amazing as lidstrom was he just wasn’t generational. He played during Mario, Crosby, and Hasek era of players who were generational, and you can see where the gap that separates the Lidstroms from the Lemieuxs, the gap is noticeable.