Is Cale Makar a generational talent?

[AvsFan29]

Well, you'll always have that to hold on to I guess.

I really don’t care

 

[flying v 604]

If he was a generational player, this thread wouldn't exist.
If the question has to be asked the answer is pretty obvious.
#99, and 66 for people to young to have seen them play live were generational.
Teams built systems just to try and shut them down and still failed.
Sid and Mcdavid are the closest right now nobody else is in the convo.

 

[flying v 604]

Makar is the only dman with potential to have multiple hundred point seasons. It has been accomplished only 14 times in the history of the NHL and the last time was in 1991/92 by Brian Leetch. 30 freaking years ago!! Team defense and goaltending are much stronger these days. In the past it was obviously much easier to score.

Since year 2000 only 2 dmen have managed just over 80 points (Burns and Karlsson once each).

If Makar can hit 100 point multiple times while playing above average defense and win multiple Norris's than I would say he is generational. If he played a few more games this year he would have won the Norris and will likely win multiple times in his career.

You should be able to have a generational forward, dman and goalie at the same time IF they are deserving. Obviously McDavid is generational, but if Makar can be head and shoulders above all other dman than why not label him generational? What does Hasek's dominance have to do with Lemieux's dominant play?

Hasek, Brodeur and Roy are the GOAT's and none can be called generational?

You realize Quinn puts up very similar numbers as Quinn on a team that was 25th in GF.

 

[OKR]

If he was a generational player, this thread wouldn't exist.
If the question has to be asked the answer is pretty obvious.
#99, and 66 for people to young to have seen them play live were generational.
Teams built systems just to try and shut them down and still failed.
Sid and Mcdavid are the closest right now nobody else is in the convo.

If Crosby is in the convo, so is Ovechkin. Can’t have one without the another.

 

[Signupnow]

If Makar doesn’t miss games due to injury, he wins that trophy

If karlsson didnt get injured noone of these past defencemen would have had a single trophy basically. So there is no generational in here.

 

[Rabid Ranger]

I really don’t care

I mean you must as you and your fellow Avs fans keep saying that. "Makar hadn't been injured he would have won the Norris in a landslide." Well, he wasn't, he didn't, and that's complete guesswork anyway.

 

[AvsFan29]

If karlsson didnt get injured noone of these past defencemen would have had a single trophy basically. So there is no generational in here.

Watch Makar play this season. He’s in a tier of his own

 

[Spilot23]

I mean you must as you and your fellow Avs fans keep saying that. "Makar hadn't been injured he would have won the Norris in a landslide." Well, he wasn't, he didn't, and that's complete guesswork anyway.

In our hearts Makar won the Norris !

 

[Johnny Hoxville]

I think he’s the most talented dman in the game and he’s young. We shall see.

 

[McFlash97]

No.

 

[Regal]

You realize Quinn puts up very similar numbers as Quinn on a team that was 25th in GF.

His numbers are almost too similar...

 

[johnnybbadd]

Karlsson is the only defenceman since the 1995 lockout season to finish in the top 10 in points. He also did it twice and he finished tied for 4th once. Go take a look at the players that have accomplished a top 10 finish and you will see what quality of offensive player it takes. No one is a prime Karlsson right now.

 

[SeanMoneyHands]

If he was a generational player, this thread wouldn't exist.
If the question has to be asked the answer is pretty obvious.
#99, and 66 for people to young to have seen them play live were generational.
Teams built systems just to try and shut them down and still failed.
Sid and Mcdavid are the closest right now nobody else is in the convo.

You forgot #68, Jagr was definitely generational too.

 

[Adam da bomb]

You forgot #68, Jagr was definitely generational too.

If only 66 and 99 are generational than 68 is not generational. I mean what’s the case for 68 over Howe, belieavu,, Bobby hull, Bobby Orr.

 

[3074326]

His numbers are almost too similar...

Would be wild if they weren't similar!

 

[MacMacandBarbie]

To be fair Lemiuex and Gretzky have a gap on the rest of the Generational talents. They sit at the top on their own.

That’s ridiculous, Orr, Howe, and Hasek are easily right there. I think you mean Gretzky sits all by himself at the top.

 

[caufieldbeerman]

For me Makar = matthews at defence lol so id say yes

 

[MacMacandBarbie]

Karlsson is the only defenceman since the 1995 lockout season to finish in the top 10 in points. He also did it twice and he finished tied for 4th once. Go take a look at the players that have accomplished a top 10 finish and you will see what quality of offensive player it takes. No one is a prime Karlsson right now.

Agreed and even Karlsson dealt with an injury that limited his mobility and took him down a peg keeping him on the outside looking in on these convos. Sort of like Lindros’ situation. So unless someone can argue Makar is better than what Karlsson was, I think the convo kind of ends here, just my opinion.

 

[MacMacandBarbie]

Isn't this statement probably true of every single man, woman, and child in the world - if they win at least three Norris in the next five years, we would discuss them as generational?

No, because Bourque and Lidstrom aren't generational, despite being absolutely elite players for a very long time. You don't become 'generational' at 30 like Lidstrom. You either were or you weren't, and it is what makes this class of players so exclusive. It's not like the hall of fame where you can present 'arguments' it should be simply undeniable. Like someone saying there was a better player than Howe in his prime, or a better player than gretzky in the 80s, or a better player than Mario in the 90s, etc. Someone arguing Jagr is better than Mario will get laughed at, and that shows that Jagr was narrowly better than the Yzerman's and Sakic's at many points in their careers, but never arguable as being on mario's level. Mario stood by himself in the 90s, etc.

 

[chauron]

If Crosby is in the convo, so is Ovechkin. Can’t have one without the another.

Neither is anymore, they’re shadows of their former selfs.

They’re both legenda already now.

 

[Mr Burns]

That’s ridiculous, Orr, Howe, and Hasek are easily right there. I think you mean Gretzky sits all by himself at the top.

Bobby Orr is clearly generational to me but if Hasek is then Roy is too.

 

[Oilslick941611]

no.

 

[TruePowerSlave]

Calling Makar generational is just silly and dumb at this point. However, he does have all the tools and potential to be the best Dman we have seen so far in the cap era.

Would have won the Norris without the injury in just his second season and there still is some room to grow. If he does take the next step Makar will be a very special player.

 

[Foppberg]

For me Makar = matthews at defence lol so id say yes

You have Matthews as being a generational talent?

 

[Sasso09]

You can't call a player generational when there's 3 to 4 D his age or close to his age that are in the same category. If Makar is generational then so are 3-4 other guys including Heiskanen, Quinn, and slightly older guys like Fox, McAvoy, Provorov, Werenski.

I think I take Makar over them all but Heiskanen but generational is reserved for guys like Lindros, Crosby, McDavid, Ovechkin. MAYBE Malkin and Kane but even those guys are on the outside looking in. Generational is little like one in 10-15 years, it's very very exclusive. It's not a knock to say he's not, he's one of the top 10 players I take in the league starting a team from scratch