Is Alex Pietrangelo a hall of famer?

[Staniowski]

I would vote for him, and I think he has a good chance.

 

[ahmon]

yes, but certainly one that just made the cut.

 

[TheOrganist]

It feels like a bad faith argument to say Pietrangelo wasn’t the best defenseman on the team because of deployment.

Pietrangelo, Parayko, and Bouwmeester were all of similar defensive talent, but Pietrangelo had significantly more talent offensively. How they were deployed was to give the team the highest chance of success. If Pietrangelo and Parayko swapped, who would be more successful in the other’s role?

He’s also completely ignoring special teams usage. Petro averaged more SH TOI/Game than Parayko in 2019 playoffs.

 

[Kingfan1967]

I voted yes, from a very naive approach. Naive because it probably depends more on who retires with him than draft.

If you induct 4 nhlers every year, who are the 4 from Pietrangelo's draft class?

1- Erik Karlsson
2- Steven Stamkos
3- Drew Doughty

Then, there's no real standout (Hotlby, Josi, Pietrangelo would be the big names I assume).

Now, depends how they end their careers, but I have a hunch that Vegas will be the better team vs Nashville in the next few years. If Pietrangelo continues to have solid years l, I can see him being favored over Josi.

Not as a first year ellig8ble, but maybe one day.

In reality though, theres probably a more deserving 5th player one year that stops him from getting im the Hall

John Carlson 927gm 141g 481a 622p ( 1 cup no norris)
Alex Pietrangelo 952gm 141g 431a 571p (2 cups no norris)
2008 class so far (if any more cups most likely as contributors not leaders ie: no conn smythe)
1 Stamkos (2 cups 2 "rockets" ) 1st ballot
2 Doughty (2 cups 1 Norris olympic gold) 1st ballot
3 Karlson (no cups 5 Norris) 1st ballot
best chance of the rest of 2008 draft class
4 Josi (no cup 1 Norris )
5 Carlson (1 cup)
6 Pietrangelo (2 cups - 1 as captain)

 

[abo9]

John Carlson 927gm 141g 481a 622p ( 1 cup no norris)
Alex Pietrangelo 952gm 141g 431a 571p (2 cups no norris)
2008 class so far (if any more cups most likely as contributors not leaders ie: no conn smythe)
1 Stamkos (2 cups 2 "rockets" ) 1st ballot
2 Doughty (2 cups 1 Norris olympic gold) 1st ballot
3 Karlson (no cups 5 Norris) 1st ballot
best chance of the rest of 2008 draft class
4 Josi (no cup 1 Norris )
5 Carlson (1 cup)
6 Pietrangelo (2 cups - 1 as captain)

Good catch, I completely missed Carlson!

Him and Josi will suffer from the same thing though - they have a very bad reputation defense-wise - especially Carlson.

Also, I can see putting Josi as more likely, but Carlson, no way! What's his argument besides a few points? And his end of career is likely worst than Pietrangelo.

 

[EXTRAS]

Best dman on two different cup teams probably tells you he's a big difference maker. I mean, a guy like sundin had 1 top 10 hart finish, and he's on, so why not?

 

[SeanMoneyHands]

Still blows my mind that the Blues let this guy walk for nothing after they just won the cup with him.

 

[Hockeyholic]

Best dman on two different cup teams probably tells you he's a big difference maker. I mean, a guy like sundin had 1 top 10 hart finish, and he's on, so why not?

Hard to compare forwards and defenceman

But more often than not, A.P. was better at his position than Sundin. Jmo.

John Carlson 927gm 141g 481a 622p ( 1 cup no norris)
Alex Pietrangelo 952gm 141g 431a 571p (2 cups no norris)
2008 class so far (if any more cups most likely as contributors not leaders ie: no conn smythe)
1 Stamkos (2 cups 2 "rockets" ) 1st ballot
2 Doughty (2 cups 1 Norris olympic gold) 1st ballot
3 Karlson (no cups 5 Norris) 1st ballot
best chance of the rest of 2008 draft class
4 Josi (no cup 1 Norris )
5 Carlson (1 cup)
6 Pietrangelo (2 cups - 1 as captain)

Huh?

 

[Regal]

John Carlson 927gm 141g 481a 622p ( 1 cup no norris)
Alex Pietrangelo 952gm 141g 431a 571p (2 cups no norris)
2008 class so far (if any more cups most likely as contributors not leaders ie: no conn smythe)
1 Stamkos (2 cups 2 "rockets" ) 1st ballot
2 Doughty (2 cups 1 Norris olympic gold) 1st ballot
3 Karlson (no cups 5 Norris) 1st ballot
best chance of the rest of 2008 draft class
4 Josi (no cup 1 Norris )
5 Carlson (1 cup)
6 Pietrangelo (2 cups - 1 as captain)

Pietrangelo is a better defensive player than Carlson by a solid margin and was a top tier defenseman much earlier in his career. Carlson had a few big offensive seasons which makes their career numbers similar, but their overall careers aren’t that close.

 

[Filthy Dangles]

He's a weird case. I think he's very close and probably lean toward yes.

What makes him a weird case is that imo his track record in Norris voting isn't commensurate with his ability and impact he's had in his career imo. And the unusual consistency he's had in his career.

With other top-end dmen, they might win the Norris one year but then have a bad down year where they look washed up (Karlsson, doughty, Subban). And then guys who haven't won one but might be compared to Pietrangelo (John Carlson, etc.) while still in prim years have a bad year where they look cooked.

Pietrangelo's never been a finalist for a Norris but he's never looked close to being washed up or not a really good allaround #1 dman in his career.

He's better than a lot of guys in the Hall.

 

[SeanMoneyHands]

Pietrangelo is the modern day Adam Foote. Solid, tough as nails and a minute muncher.

 

[JianYang]

His numbers don't jump out, but when I watch games, he has the ability to take control of them, and sometimes he puts the team on his back like the 2021 playoffs.

I have no problem with him getting in.

 

[wetcoast]

Good catch, I completely missed Carlson!

Him and Josi will suffer from the same thing though - they have a very bad reputation defense-wise - especially Carlson.

Also, I can see putting Josi as more likely, but Carlson, no way! What's his argument besides a few points? And his end of career is likely worst than Pietrangelo.

Agree that Carlson form 2008 is 6th on the HHOF gut tracker and Josi might be ahead of Alex but hard to say.

It's also important to note that the 2007 and 2009 drafts aren't trending 4 guys each for the HHOF.

 

[Hockey Outsider]

Pietrangelo has placed in the top five in Norris trophy voting 3 times. That's right on the borderline for the Hall of Fame.

With few exceptions, defenseman who have been top five for the Norris 2 times or less don't get into the Hall. The only exceptions are Kevin Lowe, Leo Boivin, Harry Howell and Sergei Zubov (four of the weakest defensemen in Hall).

With few exceptions, defenseman who have been top five for the Norris 4 times or more get into the Hall. The only exceptions are Sergei Gonchar (he still might get in one day) and JC Tremblay (clearly deserving, but made an enemy of the hockey establishment by going to the WHA).

There are currently 13 defensemen in NHL history who have been top five in Norris voting three times. Let's exclude Pietrangelo, and Cale Makar (who, barring injury, will soon move into a higher category). Of the remaining 11 - 3 of them are or will be in the Hall (Duncan Keith, Tom Johnson, Phil Housley). One of them (Carl Brewer) should be, but like JC Tremblay, made an enemy of the establishment by going to the WHA. A few of them are right on the border (Bill White, Pat Stapleton, Brent Burns, PK Subban, maybe Roman Josi). And a couple definitely won't make it (John Carlson, Ryan Suter). Of the players in this category, all of the defensemen who contributed to multiple Stanley Cup winning teams are in (except Brewer - I already explained why he's out). And the only ones currently in the Hall either won multiple Stanley Cups, or have overwhelming career totals (Housley). For that reason, I think Pietrangelo will eventually get inducted - but he might have to wait a while.

 

[lionsDen]

Good player. Was always in the conversation as upper tier. But never really stood out as great.

 

[Dust]

Best dman on two different cup teams probably tells you he's a big difference maker. I mean, a guy like sundin had 1 top 10 hart finish, and he's on, so why not?

Sundin is 30th all time in points, that's why he's in. If Petro plays long enough and compiles enough points and games played, he has a chance. The lack of individual accomplishments hurts every player, but it can be made up in other ways. I don't think this is a good comparison.

I personally don't think he should get in. He's not going to win a Norris barring a miracle at this stage in his career, and while he puts up a consistent 40-50 points a year, it's not going to add up to enough when it's all said and done. The induction of Kevin Lowe really screwed things up, now everyone has that longshot chance.

 

[PocketNines]

Absolutely.

I don't really respect the criteria for the Norris, it's a very poorly voted trophy. Very subpar trophy and thus shouldn't be judged by that. I've been watching hockey for decades and this is a hall of fame player no doubt. You have to watch him carefully over time to appreciate why he's special. It is not an accident he led two different franchises in ice time to the Cup, which is unprecedented in hockey history. Absolute hall of famer

Would also point out that the Blues were the best regular season team in the West during his decade as the #1, and he won two Cups. Unquestionably one of the finest defenders of his generation. An elite hockey player.

 

[PB37]

I think he needs a capstone individual award or another 3 or 4 years of his steady reliable play ( and the stats to back it ).

Realistically, I can't see him beating out the current crop of Norris worthy dmen and getting that trophy. With his consistency being the calling card of what he offers to the table in terms of a potential HOF nomination, I think more years of what he's been doing will help better his chances of getting in.