Is Alex Pietrangelo a hall of famer?

[wetcoast]

2 Stanley Cups now. Does he get in?

Your argument sinks the poll, he is a Hall of very good type of guy a step below the HHOF for me.

 

[wetcoast]

I mean is he any worse than Larry Murphy?

Probably not but those 2 SC runs with Detroit in later years (older than Alex) is probably the biggest difference.

As of now Alex is a Hall of very good guy, if he somehow plays extremely well in the next couple of years and Vegas has more deep runs then......

 

[BigBadBruins7708]

Probably not but those 2 SC runs with Detroit in later years (older than Alex) is probably the biggest difference.

As of now Alex is a Hall of very good guy, if he somehow plays extremely well in the next couple of years and Vegas has more deep runs then......

I mean yeah he played a ton of games, but 1200 points as a defenseman is a pretty big thing Pietrangelo is lacking.

 

[Coffee]

He's running very straight into Kristopher Letang.

Who is still a better defender than anyone on the Habs

 

[HockeyWooot]

Probably, I wouldn't be mad if he got in.

 

[MXD]

Who is still a better defender than anyone on the Habs

The relevance of this information being?

 

[abo9]

I voted yes, from a very naive approach. Naive because it probably depends more on who retires with him than draft.

If you induct 4 nhlers every year, who are the 4 from Pietrangelo's draft class?

1- Erik Karlsson
2- Steven Stamkos
3- Drew Doughty

Then, there's no real standout (Hotlby, Josi, Pietrangelo would be the big names I assume).

Now, depends how they end their careers, but I have a hunch that Vegas will be the better team vs Nashville in the next few years. If Pietrangelo continues to have solid years l, I can see him being favored over Josi.

Not as a first year ellig8ble, but maybe one day.

In reality though, theres probably a more deserving 5th player one year that stops him from getting im the Hall

 

[Felidae]

Hes been perhaps the best defensemen in the league over a 10 year span. During his generation.

Theres only a few guys who can be argued otherwise. Doughty and Karlsson, and that's pretty much it.

Keith was from a prior generation of player. The new wave of players are from the next generation.

But during his era, i would argue Pietrangelo was the most consistent and best player over his career in his position. Him and Doughty being neck and neck.

And he should have won the Norris in his sophomore season. He was clearly the best defender in the league that season, but he was in a smaller market American team. Limited exposure, and was still new to the league. They gave it to Lidstrom, because of his name and not how he performed.

The Norris trophy is kind of a joke anyways. It shouldn't be used to evaluate HOF eligibility.

2 cups. One as captain. Bare minimum top 3 at his position for his career over his decade of prime.

He's a hall of famer

If not norris finishes, then what can we use to evaluate his level of play? Because years from now, most people will not have watched Pietrangelo's career. In fact, most people now haven't either, then there's watching the careers of other defenseman to actually compare him to and very few people have that time.

Norris finishes may not be perfect, especially certain placements, but it's the best thing we've got. As of now, Pientrangelo has never been a finalist for the trophy. While other players who have played in even smaller, newer markets like Ryan Suter and Weber, have.

 

[myperbixhurts]

2 Stanley Cups now. Does he get in?

There are tons of players who won 2 cups. Does that mean they’re all hall of famers?

 

[Hockeyholic]

Probably not but those 2 SC runs with Detroit in later years (older than Alex) is probably the biggest difference.

As of now Alex is a Hall of very good guy, if he somehow plays extremely well in the next couple of years and Vegas has more deep runs then......

I suppose.

If he wins a Norris or Conn Smythe he is definitely a HOFer imo.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Okay, let's put Elias Pettersson instead of stone then.

Wierd I thought this was a HOF discussion

 

[EverTheCynic]

There are tons of players who won 2 cups. Does that mean they’re all hall of famers?

He was the best defenseman on both teams by a clear margin. Captain of one of them.

So if someone won 2 cups, was the captain of one, and the top player on those teams at his position, then yeah probably they're hall of famers

 

[sr edler]

There are tons of players who won 2 cups. Does that mean they’re all hall of famers?

Yes, Pietrangelo is Kjell Samuelsson or Jim Paek, that's the argument put forward here. Not that he was the best D on both of those teams.

 

[McFlash97]

There should be a min requirement for the HOF man. Either you are at least a PPG defenseman, and if your not , then 3 cups min with decent stats.

 

[wetcoast]

I suppose.

If he wins a Norris or Conn Smythe he is definitely a HOFer imo.

The thing is that both are extremely unlikely at this point.

 

[Regal]

There should be a min requirement for the HOF man. Either you are at least a PPG defenseman, and if your not , then 3 cups min with decent stats.

Orr and Coffey are the only defensemen with more than 250 games who are above PPG though. Bourque and Potvin are just below, but those 4 are the only ones above 0.90. Seems like a pretty high bar.

 

[EastVillageBlues]

Tell me you don't know how defense works without saying you don't know how defense works. Is Erik Karlsson not a top pairing defenseman? How about Burns, Josi, Hedman, Makar, or Duncan Kieth when he was winning the Norris? This is an incredibly common deployment strategy.

It's actually pretty simple, just usage and the type of situations they are normally put in throughout a season.

If a D can drag an average partner along AND face top opposition and play in the toughest zone starts and situations, then that would definitely make him still top pairing. The pedestrian partner likely won't be, since he's more or less interchangeable with another similar 4/5 th D.

Some defense can do that, notably guys like Josi, Hedman, etc. Burns is not a top pairing D, at least not in recent years. Keith mostly played with Seabrook before injuries caught up with him, so that's definitely not too shabby. Josi played with a variety of partners, a good number of them are all star candidates, so I'm not sure how that's a relevant example.

 

[Thallis]

It's actually pretty simple, just usage and the type of situations they are normally put in throughout a season.

If a D can drag an average partner along AND face top opposition and play in the toughest zone starts and situations, then that would definitely make him still top pairing. The pedestrian partner likely won't be, since he's more or less interchangeable with another similar 4/5 th D.

Some defense can do that, notably guys like Josi, Hedman, etc. Burns is not a top pairing D, at least not in recent years. Keith mostly played with Seabrook before injuries caught up with him, so that's definitely not too shabby. Josi played with a variety of partners, a good number of them are all star candidates, so I'm not sure how that's a relevant example.

Not one of those guys I mentioned play/ed against the top competition. They all got heavy offensive deployment because that's where their strengths lie and they had teammates who were basically 1 way defenders like Parayko and Bouwmeester were. Calling your team's minute leader not a top pair defender is ridiculous

 

[fcpremix88]

Except that the tough assignments traditionally associated with top pairing D men would fall to JayBo and Parayko. And if you consider the likes of Gunnarson one year away from retirement, or Dunn in his sophomore year would qualify as top pairing D-men, or a couple of 5-7th D-men that played with Petro that year.

There isn't anything moronic, except the continued insistence, despite all evidence, that your favorite hobbyhorse is the reason that the Blues won the cup.

It feels like a bad faith argument to say Pietrangelo wasn’t the best defenseman on the team because of deployment.

Pietrangelo, Parayko, and Bouwmeester were all of similar defensive talent, but Pietrangelo had significantly more talent offensively. How they were deployed was to give the team the highest chance of success. If Pietrangelo and Parayko swapped, who would be more successful in the other’s role?

 

[General Fanager]

I voted yes even though it should be boarder line right now. He still has years to go though to make it 100% for me....

 

[sr edler]

If he doesn't then his alter ego Peter Angelo will anyways, so this whole discussion is moot.

I watched some of Game 5 from the SCFs with Swedish commentary and Mattias Norström (the old Kings D) just had to pronounce his name ”Peter Angelo”……. he just had to.

 

[DudeWhereIsMakar]

I say two Stanley Cups (one being him being captain) and an Olympic Gold.

That guarantees you a spot in the HHOF.

 

[yeaher]

no

 

[Stephen]

People thought he was better than karlsson a while back if you can believe. Lol

I don't think the two teams that have had Alex Pietrangelo have many regrets.

 

[Filthy Dangles]

I think a lot of teams would (and should) 100% value him over Karlsson.

Erik Karlsson right now and past few years, absolutely...but Karlsson in his prime, no way.