Salary Cap: Irrespective of playoff result, would you trade Nylander in the offseason?

[Damisoph]

We can just stop with the trading Tavares thing - no one is going to take that contract without a sweetener we're probably not willing to pay.

It's going to be Willy, for better or worse

 

[ACC1224]

Dubas is not dumb enough to move Nylander for a second pair D. We have a million of those.

Dubas being dumb won't have anything to do with it.

 

[kb]

 

[I am Canadian]

Dubas being dumb won't have anything to do with it.

Yes, it's definitely Nylanders fault that Matthews and Marner are paid to be stars and don't produce nearly enough in the playoffs.

I don't know what you guys expect Dubas to do here. Leafs are never going to win a cup unless Matthews and Marner dominate the post season.

Moving around other pieces is not going to change enough.

 

[ACC1224]

Yes, it's definitely Nylanders fault that Matthews and Marner are paid to be stars and don't produce nearly enough in the playoffs.

I don't know what you guys expect Dubas to do here. Leafs are never going to win a cup unless Matthews and Marner dominate the post season.

Moving around other pieces is not going to change enough.

The thought of moving Nylander comes from his disinterested play for stretches during the season.
Tavares is going no where and Matthews/Marner are as good as any duo in the league. That leaves one player left that can be moved and make a difference.

If the team disappoints again it's the most logical move to make.

 

[1specter]

Hate the Bruins but what sticks out to me here is that they've handled the cap masterfully.

 

[1specter]

That sounds bad, until you actually look at the numbers.

Four forwards have all played 32 playoff games for Toronto:

Marner: 5g 20a 25pts -1 15esp 20:50atoi
Matthews: 13g 11a 24pts -3 17esp 21:06atoi
Nylander: 10g 13a 23pts +2 20esp 17:32atoi
Hyman: 5g 8a 13pts -4 13esp 19:27atoi

So Nylander is second in goals, second in assists, and first in +/-.

He is one point behind Matthews and two behind Marner, with appreciably less ice time, and easily leads them all in even strength points.

Yep. I would say that career to date, Nylander has been the better playoff performer compared to Marner. Mitch has been playing at another level this year and I truly hope he continues it into the playoffs, but it's hard to ignore that he had 0 goals the last two series and has been largely invisible since his one elite performance against Boston in 2018.

 

[Ashdown2]

whoever posted that tweet didnt do his research properly.

florida is f***ed because your not adding the 6.5mil dead cap hit so they 15 players signed with 4.5 to 5.5 cap left.
tampa i believe is fine because they added the 6.5 from seabrooks LTIR salary.

 

[I am Canadian]

Hate the Bruins but what sticks out to me here is that they've handled the cap masterfully.

By that you mean sign players to long term deals and have the cap increase?

Or sign players to market value and have them improve vastly.

Leafs cap situation would look great right now with the cap at 90M as it should be.

 

[zeke]

and Boston's major UFA is their #1C and only top-6 C their MVP Bergeron.

 

[I am Canadian]

The thought of moving Nylander comes from his disinterested play for stretches during the season.
Tavares is going no where and Matthews/Marner are as good as any duo in the league. That leaves one player left that can be moved and make a difference.

If the team disappoints again it's the most logical move to make.

How is it logical to trade the most productive playoff player on the best value contract?

The logical thing to do is trade Muzzin, not Nylander.

 

[ACC1224]

How is it logical to trade the most productive playoff player on the best value contract?

The logical thing to do is trade Muzzin, not Nylander.

Muzzin would have little value in a trade. If they can get him to waive, sure trade him.

 

[I am Canadian]

Muzzin would have little value in a trade. If they can get him to waive, sure trade him.

The Leafs have plenty of assets. The decision to trade Nylander would be based on salary cap rather than what you could actually get for him in a trade imo.

Leafs could transition Muzzin 5.5 into a RHD on the better side of 30

 

[Clark4Ever]

The narrative of this thread will change if recent post season trends continue this spring.

 

[TOGuy14]

Maybe I am weird but I would move any player on our roster FOR THE RIGHT OFFER.

Like Matthews is arguably one of the best if not the best player in the league right now but if Colorado's GM got drunk one night and offered me Makar and MacKinnon for Matthews I pull that trigger all day every day.

Also there is zero chance Tavares waives unless we made the team environment super toxic to him, which we wouldn't do. He came here to be at home and raise his family, he won't uproot that now for us

 

[WTFMAN99]

Maybe I am weird but I would move any player on our roster FOR THE RIGHT OFFER.

Like Matthews is arguably one of the best if not the best player in the league right now but if Colorado's GM got drunk one night and offered me Makar and MacKinnon for Matthews I pull that trigger all day every day.

Also there is zero chance Tavares waives unless we made the team environment super toxic to him, which we wouldn't do. He came here to be at home and raise his family, he won't uproot that now for us

You trade anyone if it makes the team better.

If you determine JT needs to go though, you tell them you no longer feel they're apart of the team moving forward. Ask politely where he would like to go, give 5-10 teams, we will make it work.

Pretty sure both parties thought they would have won more than 0 series across all the seasons since he joined the team. Players gotta accept if success isn't achieved, they can be moved.

88 seems like the guy to go this off-season.

 

[RunItBackAgain]

I think no matter how unlikely he accepts you have to ask Tavares to waive his NMC before going down that path. People say it like it’s a foregone conclusion that he won’t but it’s happened before and with his pay structure finding a suitor is entirely possible. If we trade Willy it would really hurt our depth up front beyond Matthews/Marner, especially in 3 years time. The only way I’d consider the trade would be if it was a 1for1 hockey deal for a right side Dman, otherwise I’d ride this “core 4” setup until Tavares’ deal runs out and then restructure then.

 

[Antropovsky]

Trading Nylander makes little sense... we are no longer as deep as we once was up front and trading him would just open up a different hole that may be bigger than the one we close

 

[Dreakmur]

It's not just the cap space. If Toronto flames out again, they need to make changes to the core regardless of the cap.

 

[ShaneFalco]

Trading Nylander makes little sense... we are no longer as deep as we once was up front and trading him would just open up a different hole that may be bigger than the one we close

I don't understand this - so we keep rolling with the same core year after year (presuming they fail again) and make no changes because people are afraid we might not get another Nylander?

 

[hotpaws]

Willie gets lumped with the 11m crew but at only 7m trading him won't open up enough cap space to add 2 quality pieces , so we're left with moving him for a similar level but different type of player or for futures then overpay for a ufa .

also if people want to trade him because they don't like his game that's fine but it seems there's just as many who want him gone because him and JT don't mesh well

and once he leaves his new team will play him with linemates that compliment him and he'll rip it up like he did in the playoffs where he doesn't have to worry about tailoring his game to his center

 

[riffle]

Hate the Bruins but what sticks out to me here is that they've handled the cap masterfully.

When Boston's 3 big guns (Bergeron, Marchand and Pastrnak) have cap hits that start with 6's, as well as Taylor Hall, instead of 11's (Matthews, Taravres, Marner) that's a tremendous advantage. I rounded Mitch's 10.9 up.

Nylander would be the highest paid player on the Bruins. Think about that.

 

[I am Canadian]

I don't understand this - so we keep rolling with the same core year after year (presuming they fail again) and make no changes because people are afraid we might not get another Nylander?

If you think Nylander is the reason we lost to Montreal then I don't know what to say.

It's simply easier to move Nylander but that doesn't address the giant elephant in the room that was Marner and Matthews putrid display in the playoffs.

If they can't fix that mental issue then Leafs are screwed. Moving Nylander doesn't do anything to help them

 

[tmlms13]

To trade JT you are going to have to get him to waive his NMC which is unlikely. And unless they are willing to eat a large part of that contract they won't get anything back.

 

[keonsbitterness]

If you think Nylander is the reason we lost to Montreal then I don't know what to say.

It's simply easier to move Nylander but that doesn't address the giant elephant in the room that was Marner and Matthews putrid display in the playoffs.

If they can't fix that mental issue then Leafs are screwed. Moving Nylander doesn't do anything to help them

We'll see in a month, but it's a really good sign that Marner is having a great season after intense off-season criticism.