Interim Jets coach Dave Lowry (December 2021, not now)

[Adam da bomb]

All the things Wheeler has done in his time here, and he gets ripped even after he scores. Where's the patience with Wheeler finding his game legs, which is also something Stastny seems to be going through? Being an injured vet isn't easy.

Perfetti is making plays, but that's what this team is, a team that make plays, but when it comes to scoring down and dirty, they don't have the nose for a hard finish. Well Stastny definitely does, you just have to look at his face. Dubois is becoming that threat which is good to see. But it's a team that likes to score off passing plays. I think there are more direct angles of attack under Lowry, especially with a more active defense. But Maurice wanted straight lines too. His coaching style changed after we lost the big 3 on defense. He took the aggressiveness out of the defense, and that seems to be coming back.

I am looking forward to seeing how Perfetti matches up against Lundell tomorrow. Lundell is in the Calder conversations, while Perfetti is just getting started. However he has probably adapted quicker than Scheifele did, who took awhile to pass Couturier.

A rookie who is going to be with us for many years should be a bigger priority to get quality ice time than Stastny and Wheeler who are on their last legs. Stastny might have one more year as a Jet. Perfetti is going to be with us for the next 7 years. Wheeler has done a lot for us and been a great player past tense.
Looking at someone's face is hardly an objective measure when you look at results Stastny has not been scoring goals.

 

[voyageur]

A rookie who is going to be with us for many years should be a bigger priority to get quality ice time than Stastny and Wheeler who are on their last legs. Stastny might have one more year as a Jet. Perfetti is going to be with us for the next 7 years. Wheeler has done a lot for us and been a great player past tense.
Looking at someone's face is hardly an objective measure when you look at results Stastny has not been scoring goals.

It's more a figure of speech, when you look at the missing teeth, and the goal Beaulieu almost shot off his face this year. But Stastny isn't afraid to pull a power move to the net, where the kids really like the cross seam passes, and the one time finish. I think Scheifele and Wheeler too though by example. So it's a different style. I think the team is getting the message from the coach on where the majority of goals go in, which is in the vicinity of the net.

If we are going to be a playoff team that push is going to need to come from the vets too, in my opinion. If Scheif and Wheels get hot it takes some pressure off other players. Stastny is a real useful player, the longevity is a concern, but he's got a ton of smarts that everyone can benefit from. I'm not by any means expecting Perfetti to be carrying the load, but growing into a more talented player, by playing with more talent players.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Player usage still a problem, Copp continually getting more minutes than PLD is nuts.

also looks like the Mark Wheeler club is still alive and kicking!

Svech healthy scratched for Poganski? ???????

 

[Adam da bomb]

It's more a figure of speech, when you look at the missing teeth, and the goal Beaulieu almost shot off his face this year. But Stastny isn't afraid to pull a power move to the net, where the kids really like the cross seam passes, and the one time finish. I think Scheifele and Wheeler too though by example. So it's a different style. I think the team is getting the message from the coach on where the majority of goals go in, which is in the vicinity of the net.

If we are going to be a playoff team that push is going to need to come from the vets too, in my opinion. If Scheif and Wheels get hot it takes some pressure off other players. Stastny is a real useful player, the longevity is a concern, but he's got a ton of smarts that everyone can benefit from. I'm not by any means expecting Perfetti to be carrying the load, but growing into a more talented player, by playing with more talent players.

I am less concerned about the playoffs this year after losing the last 2 and giving Perfetti playing time will benefit the Jets more in the long term future. The Jets have room for both Stastny and Wheeler on the 2nd line by moving Copp down to playing with Lowry. Stastny also benefits the team playing less minutes as a power play specialist.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Yesterday’s wheeler comments.

"Mark and I bring out the best in each other" - "That's a strength for me, Mark and our team"

He’s delusional. I’m starting to believe that Wheeler is a problem and I think we usually play better without him. The best this team has played all year is when him and Schiefele were on the third line.

He did absolutely nothing yesterday and just got back from a long layoff, so he replaces Perfetti on our best line (AGAIN breaking up our best line!)

Does Wheeler have this much influence over playing time and coaching in general?

Exactly the opposite. They bring out the worst in each other. Regardless of other adjustments to the lineup, those 2 need to be kept apart.

 

[voyageur]

I am less concerned about the playoffs this year after losing the last 2 and giving Perfetti playing time will benefit the Jets more in the long term future. The Jets have room for both Stastny and Wheeler on the 2nd line by moving Copp down to playing with Lowry. Stastny also benefits the team playing less minutes as a power play specialist.

I think the coach is avoiding slowing down Scheifele too much by playing Stastny in the top 6. Copp is clearly the better skater, so that gives a little more pace.

Stastny's primary benefit may be the PP. That was he that set up Connor for the 2-0 goal. We didn't really see much of the PP last game, but there's some different players to move around. I actually think he'd help PP1, because he plays the front of the net strong, which leaves chances for other players to be quick on the puck, around the net. Also will win his fair share of draws.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Wheeler is just like Maurice, can't move on from the past. Sure they definitely brought the best out of each other 5 years ago but it's been ages since they have brought the best out of each other.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, it's long past time that we move on from this being Blake's team. He is no longer a core player and it seems he can't get out of the way of passing the torch.

lol
Just came into this thread to talk about coach instead of always Wheeler with a bit of Scheifele and what do I find?

As I've said before, Wheeler is getting too much criticism. But if HC Lowry continues to rely on 55/26, he is not going to get the job done - and hopefully, he is not going to get the job.

Lowry's player usage is going from bad to worse. The Ehlers injury ties his hands to some extent, but he could better manage TOI. And what is with Poganski getting regular shifts while Svechnikov sits? Really? Poganski?

 

[surixon]

lol
Just came into this thread to talk about coach instead of always Wheeler with a bit of Scheifele and what do I find?

As I've said before, Wheeler is getting too much criticism. But if HC Lowry continues to rely on 55/26, he is not going to get the job done - and hopefully, he is not going to get the job.

Lowry's player usage is going from bad to worse. The Ehlers injury ties his hands to some extent, but he could better manage TOI. And what is with Poganski getting regular shifts while Svechnikov sits? Really? Poganski?

It was based on his comments on playing with Mark and how they bring out the best in one another. I.e he's living in 2017-18.

Given I expect both continually push hard to play with each other they likely put a lot of pressure on the coaching staff.

 

[BoneDocUK]

lol
Just came into this thread to talk about coach instead of always Wheeler with a bit of Scheifele and what do I find?

As I've said before, Wheeler is getting too much criticism. But if HC Lowry continues to rely on 55/26, he is not going to get the job done - and hopefully, he is not going to get the job.

Lowry's player usage is going from bad to worse. The Ehlers injury ties his hands to some extent, but he could better manage TOI. And what is with Poganski getting regular shifts while Svechnikov sits? Really? Poganski?

Pog has even played nearly 12 minutes at 5v5 against PIT -- that's more than Stats, Ves, Harkins and a few others, IIRC. Hard to see what he's adding with those minutes, besides hustle.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

It was based on his comments on playing with Mark and how they bring out the best in one another. I.e he's living in 2017-18.

Given I expect both continually push hard to play with each other they likely put a lot of pressure on the coaching staff.

Yeah, that comment illustrated a problem with Wheeler. There is a lack of self-awareness there.

 

[voyageur]

Pog has even played nearly 12 minutes at 5v5 against PIT -- that's more than Stats, Ves, Harkins and a few others, IIRC. Hard to see what he's adding with those minutes, besides hustle.

Here, here. Hits are an overrated stat. Unless they are separation hits.

 

[surixon]

Yeah, that comment illustrated a problem with Wheeler. There is a lack of self-awareness there.

Yeah, one of my biggest issues with both he ans Scheifele is a lack of awareness. I've referenced Crosby and how he's modifies his game and changed his habits to still be elite and to lead by example. It's one of the biggest issues I see with our on ice leadership.

I want more and more for this team to emulate the way Dubois plays. The take no prisoner game with speed and skill thrown in.

 

[voyageur]

Yeah, one of my biggest issues with both he ans Scheifele is a lack of awareness. I've referenced Crosby and how he's modifies his game and changed his habits to still be elite and to lead by example. It's one of the biggest issues I see with our on ice leadership.

I want more and more for this team to emulate the way Dubois plays. The take no prisoner game with speed and skill thrown in.

I just wonder with all the metrics you posted if the Jets don't become a better team with Scheifele on the wing. Everybody plays well with Connor-Dubois, but the Jets don't have many finishers like Scheifele. Is that a recipe for goals?

You could drop down the kid on a line with Stats and Copp and that's putting him in the spot that replaces Ehlers.

Put Wheeler with Lowry on your 3rd line and all of a sudden there's potential scoring from 3 lines.

 

[surixon]

I just wonder with all the metrics you posted if the Jets don't become a better team with Scheifele on the wing. Everybody plays well with Connor-Dubois, but the Jets don't have many finishers like Scheifele. Is that a recipe for goals?

You could drop down the kid on a line with Stats and Copp and that's putting him in the spot that replaces Ehlers.

Put Wheeler with Lowry on your 3rd line and all of a sudden there's potential scoring from 3 lines.

I have long since thought that we would "Stamkos" Mark I.e move him to wing like Tampa did with Steve once Point and Cirelli were ready to handle the top 2 center duties.

I don't think they entertain it until they deem Cole ready and that isn't likely for a few years. Mark would also have to be on board with that as well and who knows if he would be or not. I just rember the WJHC and he potted a number of goals from RW playing with Huberdeau and RNH.

 

[JetsNut]

All the things Wheeler has done in his time here, and he gets ripped even after he scores. Where's the patience with Wheeler finding his game legs, which is also something Stastny seems to be going through? Being an injured vet isn't easy.

Perfetti is making plays, but that's what this team is, a team that make plays, but when it comes to scoring down and dirty, they don't have the nose for a hard finish. Well Stastny definitely does, you just have to look at his face. Dubois is becoming that threat which is good to see. But it's a team that likes to score off passing plays. I think there are more direct angles of attack under Lowry, especially with a more active defense. But Maurice wanted straight lines too. His coaching style changed after we lost the big 3 on defense. He took the aggressiveness out of the defense, and that seems to be coming back.

I am looking forward to seeing how Perfetti matches up against Lundell tomorrow. Lundell is in the Calder conversations, while Perfetti is just getting started. However he has probably adapted quicker than Scheifele did, who took awhile to pass Couturier.

I think people are “ripping” Wheeler because we all know he’s been continually favoured under the Maurice era despite his play. Lowry seems to have way to much Maurice stink on him to continue as head coach into next season. Hopefully Chevy has someone lined up.

 

[voyageur]

I think people are “ripping” Wheeler because we all know he’s been continually favoured under the Maurice era despite his play. Lowry seems to have way to much Maurice stink on him to continue as head coach into next season. Hopefully Chevy has someone lined up.

Jesus. I could have sworn it was just last year that our captain outscored the Edmonton Oilers captain (some guy) on the way to sweeping the Oilers. Boy that was such a good celebration. I wonder who remembers that. PL Dubois wasn't very good in that series, I remember that he was alternating with Mathieu Perreault on the 2nd and 4th line as a result.

But you know Wheeler's a terrible player. Lowry's a terrible coach. Anybody over 30 can't be trusted.

I almost miss the days when we had a bunch of crap players, and all we could do is hope to get better. Or maybe that's where we are at now...I am not sure anymore.

I think Dave Lowry deserves some time and patience just like Cole Perfetti, just like Blake Wheeler coming back from injury. If anyone has become Lowry's favourite it's Connor. It was only him Dubois and Copp over 20 minutes in Pitt, so that's already different than Maurice.

 

[KingBogo]

Jesus. I could have sworn it was just last year that our captain outscored the Edmonton Oilers captain (some guy) on the way to sweeping the Oilers. Boy that was such a good celebration. I wonder who remembers that. PL Dubois wasn't very good in that series, I remember that he was alternating with Mathieu Perreault on the 2nd and 4th line as a result.

But you know Wheeler's a terrible player. Lowry's a terrible coach. Anybody over 30 can't be trusted.

I almost miss the days when we had a bunch of crap players, and all we could do is hope to get better. Or maybe that's where we are at now...I am not sure anymore.

I think Dave Lowry deserves some time and patience just like Cole Perfetti, just like Blake Wheeler coming back from injury. If anyone has become Lowry's favourite it's Connor. It was only him Dubois and Copp over 20 minutes in Pitt, so that's already different than Maurice.

It's like people don't even pay attention on what is actually happening. They are so entrenched in their believe systems they stop paying attention to actual facts. Wheeler was 10th in TOI against the Pens, behind even Perfetti FFS and people still bitch. He had over 7 minutes less than Connor and for some reason he still gets ragged on.

 

[Jets4Life]

Exactly the opposite. They bring out the worst in each other. Regardless of other adjustments to the lineup, those 2 need to be kept apart.

Absolutely.

Get rid of them both, while Scheif has a ton of trade value. Wheeler has negative trade value, so demote him to a bottom 6 role, or retain some of his salary. I wish we can keep Copp, but I'm not optimistic. Dubois, Connor, Ehlers, and (later on) Perfetti are going to be the driving force on this team.

 

[GaryPoppins]

I think people are “ripping” Wheeler because we all know he’s been continually favoured under the Maurice era despite his play. Lowry seems to have way to much Maurice stink on him to continue as head coach into next season. Hopefully Chevy has someone lined up.

Get ready for Randy Carlyle

 

[surixon]

Jets big issue is we have one line capable of carrying play and ourchancibg our opposition right now.

The Dubois line with Conner and Perfetti are in the 60's in almost all metrics.

The Lowry line with poganski and Stastny has a 44 XGF% and is low 40's all other metrics.

Our top line of Copp Wheeler and Scheifele are just getting crushed. 41% XGF

Lowry needs to figure his lineup out as we have two lines struggling mightily.

 

[snowkiddin]

Jets big issue is we have one line capable of carrying play and ourchancibg our opposition right now.

The Dubois line with Conner and Perfetti are in the 60's in almost all metrics.

The Lowry line with poganski and Stastny has a 44 XGF% and is low 40's all other metrics.

Our top line of Copp Wheeler and Scheifele are just getting crushed. 41% XGF

Lowry needs to figure his lineup out as we have two lines struggling mightily.

I'm always tempted to put Copp back with Lowry. Lowry's offense has completely dried up this year but I still think you could put him and Copp together with maybe Ves or Svech and still be a good line.

For now, maybe you go:

Connor/Dubois/Perfetti
Stastny/Scheif/Wheeler
Copp/Lowry/Svech/Ves
Harkins/Tomato (he should be back soon I think)/ Svech/Ves

Then Ehlers replaces Stastny when he's back and Stastny is traded and we could plug Harkins or Svech/Ves into Copp's spot once we sell him at the deadline for a 1st and a prospect.

Then next year I guess you go in with a forward group of Connor, Dubois, Perfetti, Scheif, Wheeler, Ehlers, Wright, Lowry, Gustafsson and then three question marks for the bottom of the roster. I'd bring back Svech. Ves, Harkins are still young but haven't shown much. Maybe Nathan Smith earns a spot. Not sure where we play Shane Wright at the beginning of the year but maybe he starts with one of those guys and we'll see if we can build any chemistry.

 

[JetsNut]

Get ready for Randy Carlyle

I hope not!

 

[JetsNut]

Jesus. I could have sworn it was just last year that our captain outscored the Edmonton Oilers captain (some guy) on the way to sweeping the Oilers. Boy that was such a good celebration. I wonder who remembers that. PL Dubois wasn't very good in that series, I remember that he was alternating with Mathieu Perreault on the 2nd and 4th line as a result.

But you know Wheeler's a terrible player. Lowry's a terrible coach. Anybody over 30 can't be trusted.

I almost miss the days when we had a bunch of crap players, and all we could do is hope to get better. Or maybe that's where we are at now...I am not sure anymore.

I think Dave Lowry deserves some time and patience just like Cole Perfetti, just like Blake Wheeler coming back from injury. If anyone has become Lowry's favourite it's Connor. It was only him Dubois and Copp over 20 minutes in Pitt, so that's already different than Maurice.

Last I checked Wheeler was dragging ass BEFORE his injury. Wheeler has a bad attitude in the room and it’s quite well know.
What kind of caption fired a puck at the head of a player (Chiarot incident). His shit attitude and card blanche to rule the roost has contributed to Buff retiring early, Laine wanting out, etc… He is continually cut slack and plays when and where he doesn’t deserve to be. Same can be said about Sheifele. It’s beyond disgusting and until we get a coach that changes that then we will go nowhere.

 

[jokesondee]

Im firmly on the Scheifele trade bandwagon. I wouldnt have believed it 3 years ago. His give a shit level is non-existent and has been for a long time now, and this core/leadership group needs a massive shake up.

 

[Jetsfan79]

I wonder if one of the reasons Jets are hesitant to (consistently) bang and crash and go in front of the net, play a hard game etc, is that the high-end players don't want to get injured ?. As much as everyone talks about being a team player, players do have an ego and look to protect themselves, their status in the lineup and optimizing their future earnings. If so, I'm not saying this is a good. But I do wonder if that's what's happening?

Also, I wonder if there's an unspoken disconnect in philosophy between the young core and the coach? Players may think they have the talent to play a high skilled game and do not need to rely on playing an offensive and/or defensive "simple" game. Problem being those players are too stubborn to alter their ways. They may think their philosophy is sound, they just need to "click".

Players want to perfect playing the electric guitar but the coach says they should move on to learning the piano instead.