its been that way before PM resigned.
think it was after the Car loss that caused the Jets PK to have an epiphany.
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Interim Jets coach Dave Lowry (December 2021, not now)
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think it was after the Car loss that caused the Jets PK to have an epiphany.
Guardian17
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Edmonds stated today that since Dec 1 the Jets are 7th in PK%. That includes the 3 PK goals against in Denver. Things are definitely looking up in that regard.
Hard to say if it's the Jets players and not Maurice with the coaching change. Maybe its still the coach. Lowry isn't a proven NHL coach like Boudreau. He might not have what it takes at this level.
sipowicz
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Player usage still a problem, Copp continually getting more minutes than PLD is nuts.
also looks like the Mark Wheeler club is still alive and kicking!
also looks like the Mark Wheeler club is still alive and kicking!
Howard Chuck
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Yesterday’s wheeler comments.
"Mark and I bring out the best in each other" - "That's a strength for me, Mark and our team"
He’s delusional. I’m starting to believe that Wheeler is a problem and I think we usually play better without him. The best this team has played all year is when him and Schiefele were on the third line.
He did absolutely nothing yesterday and just got back from a long layoff, so he replaces Perfetti on our best line (AGAIN breaking up our best line!)
Does Wheeler have this much influence over playing time and coaching in general?
SensibleGuy
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I really felt like PoMo resigning was a bad way for the coaching change to happen. From an organizational perspective, it looks passive and weak. The appearance now is that it was a situation management wasn't prepared for rather than a move they were planning for. I'm not sure Lowry is the right guy, but I think he might have had more of a chance if he'd been handed the reigns after PoMo had been fired rather than resigning.
I also think Pomo was probably given about 2 seasons too many...and I don't hate him. I think he's a pretty good coach. I just think he'd reached the limit of his capability to move things to the next level some time ago.
I also think Pomo was probably given about 2 seasons too many...and I don't hate him. I think he's a pretty good coach. I just think he'd reached the limit of his capability to move things to the next level some time ago.
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He did with Paul.
Lowry is fighting for his head coaching life so he doesn’t need to kiss anyones ass over the next 45 games.
sipowicz
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yup, Mark sure brought out the best in Wheeler with his 1 goal in his first 25 games. One way Schief and empty net Wheeler, our dynamic duo!
Lowry’s player usage will end up costing him his job and it should! Especially if the results don’t come, right now two guys on the Jets are bigger than the team and they no longer lead in goals and points or make much difference in wins/losses for that matter!
Howard Chuck
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I really wish that were the way this was going to go, but already while down a goal he broke up our best line and basically benched Perfetti in the third period, to insert Wheeler.
This is now the second coach that is catering to Wheeler/scheifele over the best interest of the team as a whole.
I respect all differing thoughts on this, but I’m really starting to think that 26/55 are problems. You just don’t see this on good teams (or any teams?) Good teams are a meritocracy where you play the roster in the best possible way to win.
55 is barely interested but has the talent to be MUCH better, and 26 has fallen off a cliff but replaces players that are performing, or breaks up lines with chemistry.
It's hard to know what's really going on with the team. Hopefully Maurice is working on a book right now.
Wheeler is just like Maurice, can't move on from the past. Sure they definitely brought the best out of each other 5 years ago but it's been ages since they have brought the best out of each other.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, it's long past time that we move on from this being Blake's team. He is no longer a core player and it seems he can't get out of the way of passing the torch.
This is a great point. It kind of reinforces an atmosphere that results don't matter than much and once you're "in" you can kind of do what you want. May not give the psychological shakeup we need.
Next things to try might be new coach altogether, new captains, and after that exploring big trades?
Howard Chuck
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Unfortunately we seem to be a better team with him out of the lineup.
We could be a MUCH better team with him play further down the lineup with less minutes. Play him 15 minutes on the third line and that third line is instantly better.
Since Dave took over I think we have gone from 31st to 28th in PK%. Now -4 goals in Specialty Teams.
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I dunno man, I like Perfetti a lot but he has like 1 point in his whole career so far. Wheels has looked pretty good since he came back. Not surprising down a goal coach would turn to him over Cole.
FonRiesen
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I'd be interested in seeing some kind of "creating scoring changes per minute" stat. In my eye test, Perfetti is creating chances with elite passes 2+ times per game - Wheeler maybe 1-2. But that could be a bias on my part.
Edit: actually, I'm being very generous to Wheeler. I can recall maybe 2 elite passes that have directly created a scoring chance this entire year... But maybe I missed the others.
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I dunno, I have no problem with Wheeler being out there but Dubois/Connor/Perfetti dominated play far more than Scheifele/Wheeler/Copp the past two games. It’s not even close actually, and Perfetti has hardly been a passenger on that line.
Sure, I guess the hard stats say 1 point but he’s been really unlucky. He’s been all around it.
People have very little patience. It took Scheifele 15 plus games to start scoring regularly in the NHL. Cole if he keeps it up will start to get a lot more points. He should easily have a good 3 more with some normal finish by our forwards.
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All the things Wheeler has done in his time here, and he gets ripped even after he scores. Where's the patience with Wheeler finding his game legs, which is also something Stastny seems to be going through? Being an injured vet isn't easy.
Perfetti is making plays, but that's what this team is, a team that make plays, but when it comes to scoring down and dirty, they don't have the nose for a hard finish. Well Stastny definitely does, you just have to look at his face. Dubois is becoming that threat which is good to see. But it's a team that likes to score off passing plays. I think there are more direct angles of attack under Lowry, especially with a more active defense. But Maurice wanted straight lines too. His coaching style changed after we lost the big 3 on defense. He took the aggressiveness out of the defense, and that seems to be coming back.
I am looking forward to seeing how Perfetti matches up against Lundell tomorrow. Lundell is in the Calder conversations, while Perfetti is just getting started. However he has probably adapted quicker than Scheifele did, who took awhile to pass Couturier.
This is a team that made few plays and yet scored despite that the last few seasons. This year they are making a lot more plays and scoring less. Sometimes the market over corrects itself in the short term.
A bit of difference between a grizzled vet who is the highest paid player on the team and a recently turned 20 rookie, no?
As for Lundell he is a year ahead in development and more physically mature. I agree it might take Cole a year or so to catch up in thay department. Not sure I agree that he's in Calder consideration. Those two Redwing super prospects and Zegras are well ahead of him imo.
Yep. And Cole P and Lundell are very different players who are each on their expected paths, IMO. Good for Lundell, but it's hard to be disappointed in Cole. He is exactly the player many of us thought he'd be, and that is a very, very good thing. And, of course, up until last game he had exactly as many goals as Captain Wheeler, having played a fraction of his games on a fraction of his salary while driving play far more effectively in all three zones -- so there's that.
NOTE: I am not arguing that Cole is the better player at this point in his career, but it's shore nuff hard to be disappointed in his play so far, especially given how dominant that line has been.
