Incompetence vs Indifference

[Leafsfan74]

The Detroit Pistons paid a record amount $78M for their coach Monty Williams. One year later they fired him even though they still owe him $65M.

That is a franchise who says "we will make changes when the team doesn't get the job done".

The TML are a government agency. Slow, risk adverse, guaranteed jobs and lavish lifestyles. Performance doesn't matter, they will bend for any star player who forces their will on them.

At the very least, fans want to see consequences. They haven't over eight years. Just a comedy of a franchise. Literally the franchise that is the butt end of more jokes than any other I can think of. Even the Clippers have more respect today.

 

[rumman]

We aren't living in the light that's for damn sure.

Wish we were………

 

[RunItBackAgain]

Wish we were………

More like this brother

 

[socko]

I think Shanahan is a complete loser that is ok with losing. And unfortunately for Leafs fans, he's the highest ranking hockey guy in the building. So now, you're relying on non-hockey people to act. Which is always a painful wait.

 

[rumman]

More like this brother

Ah you took the negative side, touchee……..

 

[HamiltonNHL]

He needs to fire Shanny out the door for allowing this debacle to last as long as it have

He’s just using Shanny to do a bit of work and show him the ropes. Shanny isn’t allowed to make any significant decision.

Shanny is just their for Pelley’s convenience

 

[Lightsol]

We have a lot of those recently. People thinking this era is the worst ever. Clueless.

Yeah, the 80's were definitely much worse than anything in the last 20 years, and it's not even close. People like to counter with "Well, they made the 2nd round twice!", which ignores how absolutely TERRIBLE the Norris Division was in the 80's (every team in it spent time in the NHL basement, including the Leafs), that to make the playoffs they had to beat out a single team, and then they'd generally draw a team around the same level of talent and the series would be a coinflip.

 

[Gallagbi]

Winning makes everything better for the franchise. Better reputation and better profits

 

[57 Years No Cup]

LOL. Another flawed poll.

Increased/decreased "revenue" does not equal increased/decreased "profit".

Rumman had it right above.

What are you trying to "influence" this time?

 

[PanniniClaus]

I think Shanahan is a complete loser that is ok with losing. And unfortunately for Leafs fans, he's the highest ranking hockey guy in the building. So now, you're relying on non-hockey people to act. Which is always a painful wait.

I can understand Shanahan taking criticism.. not just some, but plenty. But calling a 3-time Stanley Cup winner combined with being a rare member of the Triple Gold Club..... a complete loser..... is way out of line.

 

[57 Years No Cup]

Nobody has said that making money is the only goal, it's obviously the main goal though which shouldn't be news to anyone.

You're like this weird serial thread starter. Every thread goes off on different tangents, starting a new thread every time you see this happening is ridiculous.

Mods, I suggest you guys take away this guys thread starting privileges, this place is cluttered enough as is.

He gets paid for it. He's "influencing".

 

[TorMapleJays]

There has been some talk that the team doesn't care to win and only wants to make money.
Many believe the best way to make money is to win.
Others seem to think the only goal is money and winning is secondary, no one has been able to explain how that makes sense.

Instead of taking another thread off topic, perhaps it could be explained here?

The Red Sox lost the fandom after they won a championship. Less hunger less passion.

 

[HolyCrap]

I think they feel indifferent to their incompetence.

 

[57 Years No Cup]

They want to play as many home playoff games as possible, really no reason to believe otherwise.
regular season tickets = approx 8600 (41 games, 2nd last row), team pays the players.
playoff tickets = approx 11000 (based on 16 games, 2nd last row), team doesn't pay the players.

Couldn't imagine how much extra revenue would be generated by a trip to the finals.

Trading Marner is the start of the trip to make winning happen.

 

[Trapper]

I think it’s a little of both where MLSE is involved.
Obviously the people they hired don’t know how to win and if they don’t, well as long as they sell jerseys.

 

[mjd1001]

The WANT to win, but money is the #1 goal, winning means less.

If they could make the same money winning or not winning, they of course will take winning. However, if it will increase the chance to win but it will cost alot, I think they would shy away from that.

 

[al secord]

Investing in the Leafs is branding for everyone not named Tannenbaum.

Mostly it's been incompetence. But I firmly believe their goal is to be perennial winners. They're ready and willing to provide the resources it takes to build a winner. They've just been too incompetent to put the right people in place to get there.

 

[Stephen]

Investing in the Leafs is branding for everyone not named Tannenbaum.

Mostly it's been incompetence. But I firmly believe their goal is to be perennial winners. They're ready and willing to provide the resources it takes to build a winner. They've just been too incompetent to put the right people in place to get there.

I’d summarize MLSE as rich, well meaning airheads that genuinely want the best but are prone to paying the contractor too much money for everything. But they’re so rich it doesn’t matter.

 

[Larcos_Unal]

He’s just using Shanny to do a bit of work and show him the ropes. Shanny isn’t allowed to make any significant decision.

Shanny is just their for Pelley’s convenience

I wonder if Kyle will give Shanny an assistant GM job, maybe reporting to Spezza lol

 

[leafsfan5]

They want to win, they're just stupid

 

[ACC1224]

The Red Sox lost the fandom after they won a championship. Less hunger less passion.

You think that would happen here?

The Red Sox lost the fandom after they won a championship. Less hunger less passion.

How are you measuring lost fandom? attendance for the Red Sox went up from 2004 to 2005.

 

[Racer88]

He’s just using Shanny to do a bit of work and show him the ropes. Shanny isn’t allowed to make any significant decision.

Shanny is just their for Pelley’s convenience

I sure hope he’s not allowed to make any decision

 

[socko]

I can understand Shanahan taking criticism.. not just some, but plenty. But calling a 3-time Stanley Cup winner combined with being a rare member of the Triple Gold Club..... a complete loser..... is way out of line.

Unfortunately his playing career has proven completely irrelevant to the job he is doing for the Leafs. And I've never been a fan of the Red Wings, so those Cups did nothing for me. At least give the job to a Leafs legend if we have to put up with this level of incompetence (I'm joking, sort of).

 

[Buds17]

Having their revenue stream not being overly dependent upon winning does not necessarily mean that they don't wish to win. It takes money to make money and I wouldn't determine that ownership is unwilling to spend.

 

[Taylor Halls Teeth]

There has been some talk that the team doesn't care to win and only wants to make money.
Many believe the best way to make money is to win.
Others seem to think the only goal is money and winning is secondary, no one has been able to explain how that makes sense.

Instead of taking another thread off topic, perhaps it could be explained here?

It makes no sense that they would not care about winning. Success is more profitable than failure. However they generate $280M a year without the playoffs so post season success might not sell a ton more merchandise than 41 regular season dates. Its run by a board, not an affluent owner who's ego or pride will burn profits for the mere possibly of winning. Publicly traded companies have to serve their shareholders who's collective goal is profit. First and foremost its the money. Winning more would be supported if it doesn't jeopardize the margins.