Incompetence vs Indifference

[stealth1]

Doesn't winning provide the most entertainment?

To the hardcore fans yes. For the casual fans and the corporate fan base they want the run and gun play and see goals. IMO its why they are so against moving the core guys. They play an exciting brand of hockey.

Imagine trading 2 of the core for a couple of 2 way defensive players that don't score much but help them win 2-1 games every night. Your casual fan will find that boring.

 

[Gallagbi]

To the hardcore fans yes. For the casual fans and the corporate fan base they want the run and gun play and see goals. IMO its why they are so against moving the core guys. They play an exciting brand of hockey.

Imagine trading 2 of the core for a couple of 2 way defensive players that don't score much but help them win 2-1 games every night. Your casual fan will find that boring.

You mean like they Burns teams that are beloved to this day?

You don't have a lot of casual fans in attendance and most casual fans aren't watching every game, but they certainly check the highlights. The corporate fanbase is there for prestige more than product and winning increases prestige.

 

[Confucius]

I’ll say he’ll be better than Shanahan.

I think Pelley is preventing the Leafs from signing Marner.

He’s basically neutered shanahan.

The Leafs could be a useful team without Marner and Tavares.

Yeah, sure, they were doing just great in the 7 years before they arrived

 

[tuckerintensity]

Two things can be true at the same time, they care about winning and revenue. I get fans are frustrated, but believing otherwise is silliness. Just because we haven't won, doesn't mean they don't want to.

 

[57 Years No Cup]

To the hardcore fans yes. For the casual fans and the corporate fan base they want the run and gun play and see goals. IMO its why they are so against moving the core guys. They play an exciting brand of hockey.

Imagine trading 2 of the core for a couple of 2 way defensive players that don't score much but help them win 2-1 games every night. Your casual fan will find that boring.

 

[Racer88]

Yeah, sure, they were doing just great in the 7 years before they arrived

They didn’t have Matthews and Willy in those 7 years you referenced

 

[tokyoite]

the present management inherited negative legacies from the pension plan, steve stavro.

 

[ZEBROA]

Ive heard rich always=high iq/intelligence, it was not from a Leaf fan.

They would earn way more on a stanley.

 

[hfman]

Winning the Cup jeopardizes future revenue.

Right now they're dangling the carrot, and have been for decades. We keep chasing the carrot with our dollars. And they're cashing in. Big time.

If they finally win the Cup then the carrot is no longer dangling. The thirst has been quenched. Fans are finally satisfied.

So the year after they win it... interest and attendance are lower. Because the decades-long quest has been achieved. No need to keep watching or paying as much attention as before.

Just ask the Blue Jays about it after they won those championships in the early 90s. What happened after they won? Attendance and fan interest tanked. Completely. The strike didn't help of course, but overall interest in the team completely disappeared and they struggled for years and years after it.

Anyone think the leafs want to follow that example? Not a chance.

This is what's happening, folks. We're all being played and have been for decades.. lots of fans don't want to admit the truth though

 

[hfman]

The Red Sox lost the fandom after they won a championship. Less hunger less passion.

and there you have it

Sorry to say but Leafs fans are in for a lifetime of pain because the above statement is 100% what has been happening in Toronto... a championship here will kill future revenues and they know it. They will never bring a Cup here because that will put their future business at risk and they will never ever do that

Enough of these idiots who keep saying a Cup will bring in millions and millions of extra dollars... yes it will, but FOR THAT ONE SEASON. And then after that, the hunger has been satisfied, so the fans will dwindle and so their business will tank just like it did with the Blue Jays. MLSE won't make the same mistake that the Jays did although for the Jays, it wasn't really a "mistake" because those two seasons of hundreds of millions extra in revenue it helped shape the franchise (and city) into the profitable entities they are today. The Leafs have always been profitable so never needed a championship to begin with. And still don't. And so they won't.

We're all being played. Wake up everyone and face the facts

 

[Confucius]

The Red Sox lost the fandom after they won a championship. Less hunger less passion.

Actually, there just may be a lot of truth there. In past years, I’ve read a few posts that stated one win and I’m done with this team. lol! Truth is indeed stranger than fiction.

 

[Confucius]

Ive heard rich always=high iq/intelligence, it was not from a Leaf fan.

They would earn way more on a stanley.

Discounting people that worked hard and ended up being Drs and some Lawyers. Real Wealth is more often than not determined by luck…

 

[rumman]

Post of the summer so far…………

 

[Trapper]

43.6% of the vote don't realize that even if all they want is money still want to win, because as much money as they make now, if they ever won they'd make 10X more.

Can you imagine what a ticket to a finals would cost? I hope you are prepared to be homeless because you would be if you bought that ticket.

Are you prepared to never eat again because food isn't an option.

Winning = money it's not a hard concept



Cooper is not an idiot, Keefe is

We’re about to find out.
For some reason moving on from this team can change your fortunes a lot.
NJ will be a good test for him.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

We’re about to find out.
For some reason moving on from this team can change your fortunes a lot.
NJ will be a good test for him.

Oh I have no doubt people are going to get fooled by Keefe because I have no doubt Keefe will have a good regular season record because the devils baring injury has a very good roster.

But when he gets to tje playoffs he will crumble like always

 

[DuklaNation]

One could argue being a 1st or 2nd round exit every year is more profitable than a good 3-4 year deep playoff run combined with a longer period out of playoff picture.

 

[capfit9]

One of the highest paid management team in the league have their thumbs up their a$$, kinda like the core 4

 

[kevsh]

This has been explained many times in many other threads. But short version, again: There is no guarantee of winning no matter how much $ a team spends.

Long version/explanation:
That logic suggests that simply dumping millions more into the team won't guarantee a 2nd round win never mind a Cup. So, for example want to replace Shanahan? Great, but he's owed $X million x how many years left on his deal + The cost of a new President, with no real assurance new guy is any more successful. So he stay as at least until his deal runs out.

That is the definition of a team caring more about money than winning.

Example #2: Re-signing Nylander to the best deal he could possibly ever imagine. Willie is a known quantity. With him, the Leafs are likely to make the playoffs every year. Trade him and who knows what effect that will have on the team's success. So re-sign him and enjoy your 1-round of playoffs every year.

That's a risk-adverse team that isn't seriously committed to winning (it all).

So, yes, MLSE wants to win. Everybody wants to win. But they are not committed to the goal of winning it all regardless of the costs, rather they are committed to winning with conditions. (Or as I'd offer, limitations. Do with this core, under this President, etc.)

 

[ZEBROA]

Discounting people that worked hard and ended up being Drs and some Lawyers. Real Wealth is more often than not determined by luck…

Not all geniuses will end up rich, and not all stupid persons will end up poor.

Hard workers deserve all they can get.

 

[Confucius]

This has been explained many times in many other threads. But short version, again: There is no guarantee of winning no matter how much $ a team spends.

Long version/explanation:
That logic suggests that simply dumping millions more into the team won't guarantee a 2nd round win never mind a Cup. So, for example want to replace Shanahan? Great, but he's owed $X million x how many years left on his deal + The cost of a new President, with no real assurance new guy is any more successful. So he stay as at least until his deal runs out.

That is the definition of a team caring more about money than winning.

Example #2: Re-signing Nylander to the best deal he could possibly ever imagine. Willie is a known quantity. With him, the Leafs are likely to make the playoffs every year. Trade him and who knows what effect that will have on the team's success. So re-sign him and enjoy your 1-round of playoffs every year.

That's a risk-adverse team that isn't seriously committed to winning (it all).

So, yes, MLSE wants to win. Everybody wants to win. But they are not committed to the goal of winning it all regardless of the costs, rather they are committed to winning with conditions. (Or as I'd offer, limitations. Do with this core, under this President, etc.)

Money matters to all teams, if teams always lost money there would be no league. All winning has conditions, will everybody put winning 1st if they lost 100 million per year, how about 200 million, there are always conditions for every team.

 

[myleafs]

Yeah, sure, they were doing just great in the 7 years before they arrived

lol u funny. how bout lets just look at the last 7 years and how that would have looked without Tavares and Marner but with 34 and 88, why go back 14 yrs?

 

[Confucius]

lol u funny. how bout lets just look at the last 7 years and how that would have looked without Tavares and Marner but with 34 and 88, why go back 14 yrs?

I looked at facts, you are speculating what if? We will never know if we still would have made the playoffs every year without Marner and JT

 

[IPS]

Winning the Cup jeopardizes future revenue.

Right now they're dangling the carrot, and have been for decades. We keep chasing the carrot with our dollars. And they're cashing in. Big time.

If they finally win the Cup then the carrot is no longer dangling. The thirst has been quenched. Fans are finally satisfied.

So the year after they win it... interest and attendance are lower. Because the decades-long quest has been achieved. No need to keep watching or paying as much attention as before.

Just ask the Blue Jays about it after they won those championships in the early 90s. What happened after they won? Attendance and fan interest tanked. Completely. The strike didn't help of course, but overall interest in the team completely disappeared and they struggled for years and years after it.

Anyone think the leafs want to follow that example? Not a chance.

This is what's happening, folks. We're all being played and have been for decades.. lots of fans don't want to admit the truth though

Fantastic comment. I'll bookmark this to like when I get my likes back.

 

[rumman]

Not all geniuses will end up rich, and not all stupid persons will end up poor.

Hard workers deserve all they can get.

It’s not your aptitude, it’s your attitude that determines your altitude……..

Fantastic comment. I'll bookmark this to like when I get my likes back.

Hard to do a job without a full toolbox………

 

[hfman]

Real Wealth is more often than not determined by luck…

inherited you mean