Brad Stuart was more than 3rd pairing defenseman at his peak, so that would be great..
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Brad Stuart was more than 3rd pairing defenseman at his peak, so that would be great..
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Yes, the similarities between Jackman and Siemens are strong. Duncan is a better skater and Barret made an NHL impact early in his career, but both are mean SOB's who aren't great at moving the puck.
I still think this is definitely possible. He could be a good middle pairing defender, still.
Unless his passing has improved quite a bit, I'm not sure I agree. He moved the puck only ok for a junior player back in the day, so I would be interested to see how much that has changed by now. His shot always had some power to it but he never knew where it was going to go.
It would have been very helpful for him if he shot 1000 pucks a day during the summers when he was 16-20. Things like that are how you turn a bad shot into a decent one.
Maybe in their role, but not very similar in their playing style. I do agree that him and Barrie could work well together.
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I was talking today's Brad Stuart. There's no chance he touches prime Stuart.
If he becomes what Stuart is today we might as well trade him now for whatever we can get.
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an unheralded leader who has been the backbone of our defense in EJ's absence that Roy has been gushing over for the last couple weeks?
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Prime Brad Stuart put up 10 goals and almost 40 point paces a few times. Pretty safe to say Duncan "9 points in 90 AHL Games" isn't going to touch that.
I'd imagine 15-20 points would be his ball park. Similar to guys like Hejda.
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I'd bet a lot of money on that one. By this point in Stuart's career, he'd already put up a 35 point season in the NHL. Siemens has how many points in the AHL? And there's no reason to believe that his abilities would translate to better scoring in the NHL. He's just not that type of player. I don't think he's even got Hejda upside--certainly not prime Hejda. My hope is that he turns into a guy who can consistently put the beat down on good players and wear them out. And given his injury history, I don't have high hopes for the consistency part.
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Looking at pts totals in the AHL and NHL is totally irrevelant. Just look at Shattenkirk in the AHL. He wasn't as effective offensively as in the NHL. Nobody knows how Siemens will look 5 years from now.
Crisp Breakout
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Maybe I don't know how he'll look in 5 years. But he's not an answer to our top-4 next year, I can tell you that now. And I suppose there's always the "who knows" approach, but I think we're deluding ourselves if we're counting on Siemens to fill in the top-4.
tigervixxxen
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I wouldn't say they are irrelevant but one has to keep in mind that Lake Erie has a problem scoring and they don't put Siemens in offensive situations. I still can't figure out how Corbett went from a good offensive defenseman in junior to 3 points. He doesn't play every game but when he plays he touches the puck a lot. He needs to shoot more (so does Siemens) but it's kinda baffling. It's tough for a lot of first year players to score though.
And on what I said earlier, I don't imply that a Siemens is a PMD, just that he can move the puck competently. I know the bar is rather low based on what we see here on a nightly basis.
And on what I said earlier, I don't imply that a Siemens is a PMD, just that he can move the puck competently. I know the bar is rather low based on what we see here on a nightly basis.
Not taking sides either way, but a 10 game sample size is a lot different than a 90 game sample size.
tigervixxxen
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Isn't there any other example other than Shattenkirk we can use? He turned out to be a damn fine NHL player so probably fitting he did so well immediately in the NHL. It's not relevant at all to what we discuss about any other player. He's an exception, a great player, that doesn't prove any part of the argument.
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A reasonable defender should get 10 points a year simply due to secondary assists. Guenin has a career average pace of 13 points. O'Byrne has a career average of 10 points.
I think Siemens AHL numbers are too low for what you can expect out of him in the long run. He should be a 10-15 point guy at the NHL level, should he make it there. You have to be extraordinarily limited (McAllister) not to.
Shattenkirks numbers in the AHL are meaningless. It was just 10 games. Had he stayed down there, he would have started putting up points at the same pace Barrie did at least.
I think Siemens AHL numbers are too low for what you can expect out of him in the long run. He should be a 10-15 point guy at the NHL level, should he make it there. You have to be extraordinarily limited (McAllister) not to.
Shattenkirks numbers in the AHL are meaningless. It was just 10 games. Had he stayed down there, he would have started putting up points at the same pace Barrie did at least.
There are a lot more examples of guys playing well in the AHL but not able to transfer their game to the NHL. Look at this team in the past few years. A lot of guys come up from the AHL and change their game because they don't want to make a mistake. I love Stefan Elliott but he doesn't play as aggressively as he should in the NHL. It took Brad Malone moving to the Hurricanes before he started playing like he did in the AHL. Paul Carey took a couple of seasons before he started playing like he could. My point is that it isn't going to just magically click for Duncan when he gets to the NHL. There is a bigger chance of him not making it because of changing his playing style in the NHL once he does become successful in the AHL. Thankfully he does play a pretty safe style but there is a chance that he sacrifices is physical game in order to play it safe and that won't help him at all.
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For sure it is. I have no doubt about that but we have seen this in the past. Plenty of players don't perform as well in the AHL as they are in the NHL just because of the lack of talent surrounding them. Anyway, Siemens was not drafted for his points totals.
^ This
The Avs also have 3-4 legit D prospects already in the system. Do they have top 2 potential, that might be pushing it, but there is some hope there and at least good odds that all will become at least good 4-6 depth D men. Get the top 3 guy now.
This current forward core, minus 2 depth forwards needed on the 3rd/4th line, which can be found via UFA, smaller trades from teams dumping for cap relief, or perhaps even in the system already, is ready to go. (plus just getting healthy with Winchester, McGinn, and Bords)
The D has EJ and Barrie who are hitting their prime, a few young up and coming rookies for depth, and a plethora of depth with experience/comfort in the system in Holden, Stuart, Guenin, and Redmond. Get a 28/29 year old D man in his prime signed for 3-5 years to put in the 2/3 spot and perhaps add another upgrade via UFA for the bottom pair and the D jumps into the top 15 at least in the league, if not top 10.
Varly is a top 5 goalie in the league when healthy, Pickard is a backup with potential, and Berra -- if you can't move him -- probably has a rebound year in him.
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Again, the notion of acquiring both Phaneuf and Greene, in the proposal you outlined, not only cripples our prospect pool depth but also ensures that we are going to lose one of EJ/MacKinnon/Barrie in the summer of 2016, and that is not worth it. Be patient. The Cup doesn't have to be won next year.
agentblack
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Why is Siemens O game even an issue, like it isnt enough that we EJ and Barrie and possibly Bigras providing plenty of offense. Just be able to play defensively and skate, that s all that should matter
I had a dream last night that we missed the playoffs and the day after we were mathematically eliminated, Roy waived Briere so he could get picked up by a playoff team, but I'm not sure how that would work. Are waivers still a thing after the deadline? Either way I remember thinking it was a nice gesture by Roy.
UncleRisto
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Players acquired after the TDL are not allowed to play in the playoffs. I don't know about waivers but that rule stands.
Gigantor The Goalie
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Bob MacKenzie already has Calgary as a front runner for defender Kenny Morrison. So looks like UFA free agent season is about to start.
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