Rumor: In-season Proposals, Rumors, Free Agents & Roster Moves (related topics) LIV

[Duchene2MacKinnon]

You would rather trade ROR for first year players, rather than Myers, or Larsson, one of whom already has won a Calder?

I would rather have Myers than Maata or Lindholm, I won't be surprised when those guys slump in the future (much like Myers).

Myers contract and age fits this team much better than a Maata or Lindholm would.

Since Myers first great year he has regressed. Other players to win a calder Mason,Rycroft,Jackman,Samsanov and Berard. Not exactly world beaters. It's nice to have but in the grand scheme of things it doesn't mean much.

Not sure how a Myers age and contract(it's bad) fits this team more than 19 year olds that play like seasoned vets?

Larsson has done nothing in the NHL anyone who would take him over guys like the 3 I mentioned isn't paying attention and just looking at his draft status.

Kind of off topic, but if the Pens drafted Trouba instead of Pouliot in the draft, they might have ended up with Trouba and Maata

Sutter, 1st, 3rd, and Despres/Dumoulin isn't bad at all.

If they had me as scout they would have. I was just praying he didn't end up in Washington. All things considered.

Imagine if the Pens drafted Toews instead of Staal.

 

[ColoradoSportsFan]

I understand that these are all IF scenarios...but I REALLY REALLY dont want ROR on any other team. He needs to be an Av for a long time.

LOCK HIM UP ROY/SAKIC!

Agreed 100% but realistically he's the odd man out to get one of these young #1-#2 type defenseman that we need. UFA status takes Stastny out if the equation unless the team is desperate and Dutchy, Lando and Mack are untouchable.

 

[CB Joe]

To be fair we did draft Duchene, O'Reilly, Landeskog, Barrie and MacKinnon in that time. Three top 3 picks will rack up games from the get-go, while O'Reilly and Barrie prove the point about drafted well in the lower rounds.

Lets not forget about Luc Bourdon either. He would have logged a ton of games.

Edit: nevermind, Bourdon was in the 2005 draft.

 

[hattrick3518]

Since Myers first great year he has regressed. Other players to win a calder Mason,Rycroft,Jackman,Samsanov and Berard. Not exactly world beaters. It's nice to have but in the grand scheme of things it doesn't mean much.

Not sure how a Myers age and contract(it's bad) fits this team more than 19 year olds that play like seasoned vets?

Larsson has done nothing in the NHL anyone who would take him over guys like the 3 I mentioned isn't paying attention and just looking at his draft status.

I don't disagree with your sentiments on former Calder winners, some pan out and some do not. However, I don't see every single one of these 19 year olds coming back year in and year out playing like "seasoned vets."

Do you not think they have an advantage playing for Anaheim or Pittsburgh? Would Maata or Lindholm be as desirable if they played in NJ or FLA? I'm not saying they don't have the pieces to be great defenders in this league, but they are clearly benefitting from playing on elite teams.

I would rather have a Kulikov/Myers/Edler type over a Lindholm/Matta. Defensemen take much longer to develop, and I anticipate the younger crop to have slumps just like Myers and Kulikov did.

 

[shadow1]

I think Colorado will take a nose dive if they deal O'Reilly; they need to keep their forward group together.

I feel losing Stastny would hurt this season, but the alternative of losing him in the summer as a free agent is even worse.

Right now Colorado's top six forward group is among the best in the league, and may even be the best. The Avalanche will desperately need a forward if Stastny is dealt.

 

[hattrick3518]

I think Colorado will take a nose dive if they deal O'Reilly; they need to keep their forward group together.

I feel losing Stastny would hurt this season, but the alternative of losing him in the summer as a free agent is even worse.

Right now Colorado's top six forward group is among the best in the league, and may even be the best. The Avalanche will desperately need a forward if Stastny is dealt.

Stastny's role is replaceable with a Derek Roy type player, Staz should be a #1/2C on a team, its just not the Avs. If he wants to stay here as a #2/3C and can be signed for ~$5M then I am all for it, otherwise, trade him and get back whatever value we can.

 

[shadow1]

As for Cowen I've said before I think he's a guy the Avs should target. He's obviously raw but there is an abundance of upside there.

 

[Avs For Life]

Staz doesn't need to go anywhere. Just have he and Mack swap spots on that line when Mack is ready. Staz's game can translate to Wing just like ROR did.

Then if we could find a 3rd line center to play with McGinn and Tangs...YES PLEASE and a 4th line of McLeod - Mitchell - Talbot.

That is depth.

 

[The Mars Volchenkov]

Staz doesn't need to go anywhere. Just have he and Mack swap spots on that line when Mack is ready. Staz's game can translate to Wing just like ROR did.

Then if we could find a 3rd line center to play with McGinn and Tangs...YES PLEASE and a 4th line of McLeod - Mitchell - Talbot.

That is depth.

Mitchell is a UFA. May not be back. Probably would want a bigger role than 4th liner.

 

[Avs For Life]

Mitchell is a UFA. May not be back. Probably would want a bigger role than 4th liner.

You are probably right. Cliche might take that spot.
In the OS we could probably use a 3rd line center.

 

[shadow1]

Stastny's role is replaceable with a Derek Roy type player, Staz should be a #1/2C on a team, its just not the Avs. If he wants to stay here as a #2/3C and can be signed for ~$5M then I am all for it, otherwise, trade him and get back whatever value we can.

I don't think his role is replaceable at all, certainly not in free agency. If he makes it there he'll end up the highest paid forward due to his overall game, which a guy like Roy can't match, even if he can match the offense.

I doubt the Avalanche try to replace Stastny's role if they move him.

 

[Avs_19]

Stastny's role won't be replaced with just one player if he leaves. MacKinnon can take his place as the #2 center but we'll need to acquire a defensive center who can play on the third line. I'm going to sound like a broken record but someone like Ott, Goc, McClement, etc would be a great signing if they hit the open market. Then we run two scoring lines and have the third line as the shutdown line.

 

[Duchene2MacKinnon]

I don't disagree with your sentiments on former Calder winners, some pan out and some do not. However, I don't see every single one of these 19 year olds coming back year in and year out playing like "seasoned vets."

Do you not think they have an advantage playing for Anaheim or Pittsburgh? Would Maata or Lindholm be as desirable if they played in NJ or FLA? I'm not saying they don't have the pieces to be great defenders in this league, but they are clearly benefitting from playing on elite teams.

I would rather have a Kulikov/Myers/Edler type over a Lindholm/Matta. Defensemen take much longer to develop, and I anticipate the younger crop to have slumps just like Myers and Kulikov did.

Gelinas and Merril seem to be fine in NJ. So, that problem isn't the team it's the player. The pens D has been ravaged by injuries, I think at one point Maata was the 2nd most experienced defender playing. Sbisa is struggling mightily on the ducks, him playing on a elite team isn't doing much for his game.

There's no way of knowing if they'll regress like Myers but I'd rather have the younger ones and not the guy who has been crappy for the past 3 years.

 

[Duchene2MacKinnon]

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=1614623

I hate seeing this stuff.

I don't like criticizing players for doing what they want but I just think this is incredibly stupid on Broduers part.

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=1614375

Luongo in another life pissed off the wrong people. What in the world are the Canucks doing?

 

[Gigantor The Goalie]

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=1614623

I hate seeing this stuff.

I don't like criticizing players for doing what they want but I just think this is incredibly stupid on Broduers part.

You don't stop being competitive at that age. It's going to be incredibly hard to see him in another jersey but we'll all forget about the 1/4 season he spends in another jersey soon afterwards.

 

[Avs_19]

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=1614623

I hate seeing this stuff.

I don't like criticizing players for doing what they want but I just think this is incredibly stupid on Broduers part.

He probably isn't going to be a starter if he goes to a contender so I don't get why he doesn't just stay in NJ. He wants another Cup that badly? Just to say he tied Roy?

 

[Avs44]

He probably isn't going to be a starter if he goes to a contender so I don't get why he doesn't just stay in NJ. He wants another Cup that badly? Just to say he tied Roy?

Who knows. He definitely has his reasons and they must be good ones in his mind. He's not going to leave the organization he's played for for over twenty years for something trivial. As much as it'll be weird to see him in a different jersey, he has his reasons and I'm sure he's thought about it for a quite a while. It can't be easy for him.


I have to respect that.

 

[Avs_19]

Maybe he can start in Minnesota with all of their injuries. Not sure if they're a contender but they should be a playoff team.

 

[member 116861]

Did Brodeur ask for a trade? Or did he just waive his NTC?

 

[CobraAcesS]

You don't stop being competitive at that age. It's going to be incredibly hard to see him in another jersey but we'll all forget about the 1/4 season he spends in another jersey soon afterwards.

Unless he wins a Cup, no one forgot Bourque's short time in Colorado.

 

[CalderKing21]

Unless he wins a Cup, no one forgot Bourque's short time in Colorado.

That was due in part because of Borque being so good and never being able to win the cup.
If he had 2-3 cups before he came to the Avs it wouldn't be the same remembrance.

 

[Foppa2118]

http://triblive.com/sports/penguins/5686336-74/penguins-kesler-sources#ixzz2uliTZWux

Would be a solid return but IMO, nothing special. I guess pretty good if the Canucks are going to rebuild but more quantity than quality.

Despres and Sutter were who I hoped the return would be if the Avs made a deal with the Pens for PAP + something.

 

[chet1926]

HF boards is so ridiculous when it comes to people trying to make trade offers. Prospects are always so very over-rated. And people always make awful comments that show they know nothing beyond their own team.

According to HF, PAP a 30 year old, top 6 winger, capable of 50-60pts, on a team friendly deal for 2 more years has negative value.

Also Rasmus Ristolainen is guaranteed to be a Norris caliber dman even though he has only played like 25 games.

 

[AvsRobin]

Ya, picks and prospects get overvalued the most.

 

[Ivan13]

I think Colorado will take a nose dive if they deal O'Reilly; they need to keep their forward group together.

I feel losing Stastny would hurt this season, but the alternative of losing him in the summer as a free agent is even worse.

Right now Colorado's top six forward group is among the best in the league, and may even be the best. The Avalanche will desperately need a forward if Stastny is dealt.

Agreed wholeheartedly, I hope both get re-signed in the near future.

Stastny's role is replaceable with a Derek Roy type player, Staz should be a #1/2C on a team, its just not the Avs. If he wants to stay here as a #2/3C and can be signed for ~$5M then I am all for it, otherwise, trade him and get back whatever value we can.

How is Stastny, who faces the toughest competition and plays a shut-down role replaceable with a one dimensional guy like Roy? Not to mention that one is a model professional and the other has acted like a primma-donna back when he was with the Sabers.

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=1614623

I hate seeing this stuff.

I don't like criticizing players for doing what they want but I just think this is incredibly stupid on Broduers part.

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=1614375

Luongo in another life pissed off the wrong people. What in the world are the Canucks doing?

Never liked Brodeur, but I feel sorry for Luongo.