Rumor: In-season Proposals, Rumors, Free Agents & Roster Moves (related topics) LIV

[Avs44]

They were in the Stanley Cup Finals just three years ago, winning the President Trophy and one of the few teams in NHL history to finish leading in both goals scored and fewest goals against. How things fell apart this quickly is astounding to me.

Not really. The Canucks success was built around the Sedins. They had a great defense and great goaltending, but as the Canucks are finding out now, you can't win if you can't score. Their goaltending is still excellent and on paper their defense should be too. The Canucks' offense was built around the Sedins and an incredible powerplay which was also related to the Sedins. Ehrhoff left, they lost some depth, and the Sedins entered an inevitable decline. For back to back years each Sedin had one 100+ point season and multiple PPG or near PPG seasons. Now they're both struggling to reach 60. They're 33, it's to be expected. Daniel Sedin's concussion on the hit from Keith also seemed to seriously affect him. Other teams found success when their stars were still relatively young(Chicago, Boston, Pittsburgh, etc) and they are still finding success now. The Canucks became a top team when their two best players were entering their 30s. The reason for their decline now is luck, the Sedins struggles trickling down the rest of the roster(guys like Burrows just not performing) and years of poor drafting and trades finally catching up. Right now they should have a push from their young guys to fill up their second and third lines and in the near future to take over as the go to guys. It's just not there. After the declining Sedins and Kesler they have very little good offensive talent.


Compare their offense to the top teams in the league and it's rather easy to see why they're no longer among them.

 

[Duchene2MacKinnon]

Thats what happens when you allow your team to become stagnant. If you are not constantly trying to improve, you are getting worse.

Just don't be the flyers. Talking about how quickly things fall apart.

 

[hockeyfish]

Just don't be the flyers. Talking about how quickly things fall apart.

Well, when you only try to improve your centers. Oh wait.

 

[niwotsblessing]

Guess how many NHL games Canucks players drafted from 2007 to today has played? 282

For Avs: 1774

Their drafting has been absolutely brutal. No way to have staying power as a top team when you get nothing from drafting.

To be fair we did draft Duchene, O'Reilly, Landeskog, Barrie and MacKinnon in that time. Three top 3 picks will rack up games from the get-go, while O'Reilly and Barrie prove the point about drafted well in the lower rounds.

 

[tigervixxxen]

Why did Vancouver change the coach? Torts trying to change their style hasn't helped either.

 

[Pokecheque]

Why did Vancouver change the coach? Torts trying to change their style hasn't helped either.

Ye olde "the players tuning him out/message got stale" mantra. Unfortunately, this team was built to fit Vigneault's tactics. Amazing how well Vigneault has adjusted those tactics to better fit what he has in NY nowadays.

 

[Duchene2MacKinnon]

Well, when you only try to improve your centers. Oh wait.

That and Luke Schenn.

Cowen might be available... If he were to come cheap PAP+ I'd take him.

 

[The Mars Volchenkov]

That and Luke Schenn.

Cowen might be available... If he were to come cheap PAP+ I'd take him.

That's not cheap. Cowen looks god awful right now and looks immobile most nights.

 

[Avs_19]

That and Luke Schenn.

Cowen might be available... If he were to come cheap PAP+ I'd take him.

Cowen has been really bad.

If there's one inconsistent young defenseman we should be going after, I still think it's Kulikov. He might not be that cheap but will still probably be cheaper than some of these other guys.

 

[Pokecheque]

Cowen wasn't all that good when he held out, he looks even worse now. Trading a good player in Parenteau for him is plain crazy talk.

 

[Duchene2MacKinnon]

That's not cheap. Cowen looks god awful right now and looks immobile most nights.

You still have to pay for potential.

Cowen has been really bad.

If there's one inconsistent young defenseman we should be going after, I still think it's Kulikov. He might not be that cheap but will still probably be cheaper than some of these other guys.

I agree but that ship has sailed.

 

[hockeyfish]

That and Luke Schenn.

Cowen might be available... If he were to come cheap PAP+ I'd take him.

If you think Myers is a project...

 

[Colorado Avalanche]

There are so many things that could go spectacularly wrong in Vancouver.

Sedins are regressing fast and hard. Just re-signed to four year extensions.
The Luongo mess.
The Kesler situation.
Old core but not good enough to do anything in the West.
Not much in the way of prospects.
A GM under lot of pressure.
As rabid a fan base as you'll find.

I think it could be very entertaining in the future.

AWesome!

 

[Duchene2MacKinnon]

If you think Myers is a project...

Cowen wouldn't cost ROR or any of the other core players.

Seems like people want defenders but don't want to pay the price to acquire the sure fire ones and turn their nose on the players that haven't put it all together yet.

 

[Avs For Life]

Cowen wouldn't cost ROR or any of the other core players.

Seems like people want defenders but don't want to pay the price to acquire the sure fire ones and turn their nose on the players that haven't put it all together yet.

Sounds about right. We need talent... It would seem that Roy can get production out of just about anyone...get someone with talent on the back end...project or not, I think Roy can get the most out of them.

And dont forget Adam Foote working with the D as well. A project might have HUGE upside for the price

 

[Gigantor The Goalie]

Cowen wouldn't cost ROR or any of the other core players.

Seems like people want defenders but don't want to pay the price to acquire the sure fire ones and turn their nose on the players that haven't put it all together yet.

I would like Cowen but the question is when to acquire him if you are acquiring him. Right now would be a big risk. We saw how long it took Talbot to adjust to the team, could easily be longer for Cowen. Draft day trade might work out the best. Give Cowen a full off-season under the direction of the Avs plus a full training camp where Roy and Foote can turn him into the defenseman he needs to be.

 

[Avs_19]

Cowen wouldn't cost ROR or any of the other core players.

Seems like people want defenders but don't want to pay the price to acquire the sure fire ones and turn their nose on the players that haven't put it all together yet.

I think guys Myers and Larsson would still require one of our core pieces even though they haven't put it all together yet. That would be a mistake.

Kulikov has been rumoured to be on the block for over a year and he's a RFA this offseason, the contract negotiations didn't go all that well last time and there's the KHL factor. I could be wrong but I think he can be had without giving up one of our top players. Probably looking at a first round pick+ but it might be worth it.

No idea about Cowen.

 

[Pokecheque]

You still have to pay for potential.

Not when potential comes with a ****** contract.

 

[Duchene2MacKinnon]

I think guys Myers and Larsson would still require one of our core pieces even though they haven't put it all together yet. That would be a mistake.

Kulikov has been rumoured to be on the block for over a year and he's a RFA this offseason, the contract negotiations didn't go all that well last time and there's the KHL factor. I could be wrong but I think he can be had without giving up one of our top players. Probably looking at a first round pick+ but it might be worth it.

No idea about Cowen.

That's kinda my point... I would stay away from those 2 if the cost is ROR. IF Ryan does get dealt it should be for guys like Lindholm/Maata/Trouba.

Trade talk about Kuli has cooled off but I guess all it would take is one phone call.

Not when potential comes with a ****** contract.

It won't handicap the avs in anyway.

 

[hattrick3518]

That's kinda my point... I would stay away from those 2 if the cost is ROR. IF Ryan does get dealt it should be for guys like Lindholm/Maata/Trouba.

Trade talk about Kuli has cooled off but I guess all it would take is one phone call.



It won't handicap the avs in anyway.

You would rather trade ROR for first year players, rather than Myers, or Larsson, one of whom already has won a Calder?

I would rather have Myers than Maata or Lindholm, I won't be surprised when those guys slump in the future (much like Myers).

Myers contract and age fits this team much better than a Maata or Lindholm would.

 

[Avs For Life]

I understand that these are all IF scenarios...but I REALLY REALLY dont want ROR on any other team. He needs to be an Av for a long time.

LOCK HIM UP ROY/SAKIC!

 

[tigervixxxen]

ROR shouldn't go for a project at all, he should go for a young proven top 4 at least. Hypothetically of course.

 

[Avs_19]

Vancouver center Ryan Kesler is being pursued aggressively by Penguins general manager Ray Shero, multiple sources told the Tribune-Review on Saturday.

A proposed deal would send Kesler to the Penguins in exchange for center Brandon Sutter, two 2014 draft picks — likely a first- and third-round — and the Canucks' choice of defensemen Simon Despres or Brian Dumoulin, the sources said.

It is possible the deal could involve another Canucks and Penguins player, but Shero was looking only to acquire Kesler, the sources said.

http://triblive.com/sports/penguins/5686336-74/penguins-kesler-sources#ixzz2uliTZWux

Would be a solid return but IMO, nothing special. I guess pretty good if the Canucks are going to rebuild but more quantity than quality.

 

[Avs For Life]

Thats all well and good about the Pens...

but whats the latest on us getting Edler?

 

[JWK]

Kind of off topic, but if the Pens drafted Trouba instead of Pouliot in the draft, they might have ended up with Trouba and Maata

Sutter, 1st, 3rd, and Despres/Dumoulin isn't bad at all.