Rumor: In-season Proposals, Rumors, Free Agents & Roster Moves (related topics) LIV

[Foppa2118]

Eh.. I for one don't want any moves for average players. If they gonna do anything I want it to be a trade for an impact d-man, someone above average

Where is the line you draw the price?

The way I look at it, there are a lot of D men that could potentially be more reliable defensively than what the Avs have below EJ and Hejda. It's hard to tell sometimes because it can be tough to compare those lower tier defenseman playing in different systems against different opposition.

You can't always look at the price the top tier guys bring in at the trade deadline as a comparison for the lower tier guys. It doesn't always mean their price will be driven up as well.

A lot of times there are decent deals to be had for teams that held out with their pending UFA's, and then the market falls out at the last minute when teams fill their needs with other players, and the selling team just wants to get something.

I don't have a crystal ball to know what prices there will be for what players at the last minute, but it's not out of the question the Avs could get a decent defenseman that's more reliable and has more playoff experience than the guys they have now for a price similar to say a 3rd+a prospect like Malone or maybe Sgarbossa that they could afford to lose.

Depending on the player I think that falls into the range where it's ok to make a deal. Even if they're more of a true #4/5 guy, it's better than the true #6/7/8 guys that the Avs have who also have little to no playoff experience.

 

[Avs_19]

Assuming the price is about the same and both players are moveable, I'd rather see the Avs go after Larsson than Myers if they want a young D man like that.

That $5.5M cap hit is just too risky IMO. They don't have to take a risk like that, there are other avenues they could pursue.

If the price is extremely high like Dreger was saying, then I'd rather just pass on both of them. Myers is risky because of the contract and inconsistent play but I think he's a lot better than Larsson right now. You wouldn't have the contract risk with Larsson but he's an even bigger unknown as this point.

I'd rather give up less assets and get an older guy like Ehrhoff. At least we know what we'll be getting with him.

 

[tigervixxxen]

If we can get someone average in for a 3rd or lower pick and/or a B level and lower prospect, something like that, then I'm ok for a vet rental for the playoffs. I want a "real" upgrade too but as long as we are not expending real assets to do so then I welcome the help. I don't think it happens unless the deal involves Wilson going the other way though. Roy isn't going to demote Holden or Guenin at this point and 8D is the max they can carry. To get a legit top 4 D at the deadline it is going to cost ROR. Not even our first and any prospects not named Bigras are going to get it done and I'd rather not pay that price.

 

[the_fan]

Where is the line you draw the price?

The way I look at it, there are a lot of D men that could potentially be more reliable defensively than what the Avs have below EJ and Hejda. It's hard to tell sometimes because it can be tough to compare those lower tier defenseman playing in different systems against different opposition.

You can't always look at the price the top tier guys bring in at the trade deadline as a comparison for the lower tier guys. It doesn't always mean their price will be driven up as well.

A lot of times there are decent deals to be had for teams that held out with their pending UFA's, and then the market falls out at the last minute when teams fill their needs with other players, and the selling team just wants to get something.

I don't have a crystal ball to know what prices there will be for what players at the last minute, but it's not out of the question the Avs could get a decent defenseman that's more reliable and has more playoff experience than the guys they have now for a price similar to say a 3rd+a prospect like Malone or maybe Sgarbossa that they could afford to lose.

Depending on the player I think that falls into the range where it's ok to make a deal. Even if they're more of a true #4/5 guy, it's better than the true #6/7/8 guys that the Avs have who also have little to no playoff experience.

I don't know, I'm not sold on Hejda being the #2. Avs need a top 2 guy and move Hejda to 2nd pair

Someone-EJ
Hejda-Barrie

 

[Foppa2118]

I don't know, I'm not sold on Hejda being the #2. Avs need a top 2 guy and move Hejda to 2nd pair

There could be a huge discrepancy price wise between those two types of players though. The higher end guy could be too much, but the lower end guy could still be more reliable than what the Avs have, and be reasonably cheap in the last 30 minutes prior to the deadline.

You see a lot of decent deals around that time every year. The Avs don't have to make a move so they can be patient if the price is too high on the Kulikov's and such. They're actually in the perfect position to capitalize on those last second deals where the team held out too long and now just wants to get something for their player.

 

[Averick*]

There could be a huge discrepancy price wise between those two types of players though. The higher end guy could be too much, but the lower end guy could still be more reliable than what the Avs have, and be reasonably cheap in the last 30 minutes prior to the deadline.

You see a lot of decent deals around that time every year. The Avs don't have to make a move so they can be patient if the price is too high on the Kulikov's and such. They're actually in the perfect position to capitalize on those last second deals where the team held out too long and now just wants to get something for their player.

Yes, they should operate from a position of strength. Also, it seems as if they e held off on overpaying now. I'd be disappointed if they didn't stick to their guns because of what you're saying. There are so many UFA scenarios where, what you mentioned, could come into play because teams overplayed there hand and suddenly realize they're about to get nothing for their UFA.

 

[hockeyfish]

With the news that Jarg would potentially refuse to report and just go home if he is traded, I wonder if the Avs are a team he would consider joining. Not that I think it's a possibility.

 

[Avs_19]

With the news that Jarg would potentially refuse to report and just go home if he is traded, I wonder if the Avs are a team he would consider joining. Not that I think it's a possibility.

Why would we want him? So he can come here and take attention away from our young players? No thank you.

 

[hattrick3518]

I'd take Phillips for a late round pick, he would be an upgrade defensively on Benoit and Holden, and I think he would fit much better alongside Barrie on the 2nd D-Unit.

 

[Avs_19]

Speculation from Dater.....

That's where it could get interesting with a player such as Paul Stastny. While the Avs would like to re-sign as many players in the last year of their contracts as they can, Stastny's situation is trickier because of his potential status as an unrestricted free agent July 1.

If the Avs can't reach agreement on a new deal by Wednesday — or lack the confidence they can sign him at some point before July 1 — it is possible Stastny could be traded. The worst of all worlds for the Avs would be to lose a top player such as Stastny for nothing on the unrestricted free-agent market this summer.

"To me, it's something I really don't worry about. You worry about (this week) a little bit, but we have a good thing going here and everyone realizes that," Stastny said Saturday. "You want to keep winning and don't want to break that chemistry, but at the same time if something happens, it happens. It's just part of the business. Some things I can't control and I just worry about what I can control — and that's playing hockey."

The Avs would not comment on any ongoing negotiations with Stastny toward a new contract, and Stastny's agent, Matt Keator, did not respond for comment. If Stastny is dealt, Avs fans can probably expect a young defenseman in return, someone who can play 20-25 minutes per night, someone with time still left on his existing deal or, if not, restricted free-agent status — but not unrestricted.

http://www.denverpost.com/avalanche/ci_25255599/paul-stastny-avs-could-part-ways-if-new

I thought he recently said Stastny wouldn't be traded. Now he says he could be traded if not re-signed by next week.

 

[ColoradoSportsFan]

Dater is just trying to stir stuff up before the deadline.

 

[R S]

The only way I see him being traded is if he's part of a package to net a good blueliner like Myers. But no way Buffalo does that with Stastny being an impending UFA, which kills his value.

Stastny won't move.

 

[S E P H]

Dater says we're not interested in Myers.

Let's hope he's right and we dodge a bullet on this one.

 

[hockeyfish]

Nobody knows what this team is going to do, period. Dater is all over the map when it comes to predicting Avs moves.

 

[hattrick3518]

What "+" would it take to get OEL out of PHX if Stastny was the main piece?

 

[hockeyfish]

What "+" would it take to get OEL out of PHX if Stastny was the main piece?

Mack, Duchene, Landy or O'reilly.

 

[Lonewolfe2015]

What "+" would it take to get OEL out of PHX if Stastny was the main piece?

Not even worth asking the question, we wouldn't be getting him without MacKinnon, Duchene or Landeskog. Likewise, I doubt they'd even move Yandle for Stastny, given their signing of Ribeiro and already having Hanzal + Vermette.

 

[Bender]

Speculation from Dater.....



http://www.denverpost.com/avalanche/ci_25255599/paul-stastny-avs-could-part-ways-if-new

I thought he recently said Stastny wouldn't be traded. Now he says he could be traded if not re-signed by next week.

lol..yeah as I mentioned last week, I don't doubt for a second that Sakic has been negotiating with Stastny's agent over the Olympic break, it just makes complete sense. Doesn't sound like a deal is imminent though... [Then again, Dater wouldn't know lol]

As far as the return, I'm certain the Avs would LOVE what Dater suggests but it's pretty doubtful they'd be able to swing that kind of deal for a rental. I don't see a lot of teams with young d-men that can play 20-25 mins. per game that are actually 'available'.

 

[zxcvnm]

What "+" would it take to get OEL out of PHX if Stastny was the main piece?

Statsny has no value to a team where he's unlikely to re-sign unless he's the last piece needed for a championship run. Phoenix does not fit either qualification, especially a Phoenix team without OEL.

 

[tigervixxxen]

Dater isn't reporting anything. Nothing in there is a new fact. He MIGHT be traded IF they don't get a new deal done OR feel like they can sign him. Well, no ****. He doesn't even know IF there are negotiations going on becuase nobody will comment. And he thinks Stastny will return a top young defenseman. Right. Dater probably wrote that column over the break and added the quotes.

The + to get OEL would be O'Reilly or better.

 

[Avs44]

What "+" would it take to get OEL out of PHX if Stastny was the main piece?

MacKinnon or Duchene.


Don't even think about getting OEL, let alone for Stastny. That's like the Islanders offering AMac for MacKinnon.

 

[The Mars Volchenkov]

Dater probably knows nothing, but dealing Stastny, if they can't come to an agreement, makes too much sense. This team is still building here. Toronto started scouting the Avs after the break, and everyone knows they'd love a center. I know everyone mocks the Toronto proposals, but I could see the Avs loving Gardiner and seeing if they could get Kulemin thrown in.

Whatever the Avs do will come out of nowhere, seeing as how everything done with Roy and Sakic has still been stuff out of the blue.

 

[hockeyfish]

Dater isn't reporting anything. Nothing in there is a new fact. He MIGHT be traded IF they don't get a new deal done OR feel like they can sign him. Well, no ****. He doesn't even know IF there are negotiations going on becuase nobody will comment. And he thinks Stastny will return a top young defenseman. Right.

The + to get OEL would be O'Reilly or better.

It's only new because Dater said only a month ago Stastny would not be traded. But this is just Dater throwing darts at stories right now.

 

[Avs_19]

Dater says they're negotiating even though no one will tell him on the record.

 

[Bender]

Dater says we're not interested in Myers.

Let's hope he's right and we dodge a bullet on this one.

Agreed. I have no interest in that big galloot either.