I'm sorry, but does this seem alittle bit hollow to anyone else

[H/H]

The european refs are quite alright, considering none of them work with it fulltime. That guys who makes fair cash on it isn't that much better is a mystery.

 

[Ismellofhockey]

Playing at home with NHL rules and refs isn't quite what makes it hollow for me (I'm canadian). I just didn't feel any dread of losing this time around, I didn't feel this tournament was as important as 2002 or even the WJC.

After defeats in 1996 and 1998 canadian hockey was reeling, we needed to reestablish ourselves as one of if not THE premier hockey nation. With the world watching in 2002, on american soil, Canada fought through adversity and took home the gold, with the women taking their title back as well.

THAT, meant something fo me and I think I'm still high off of that tournament. Few players were injured, the world was watching and Canada had something to prove: it was Mario -vs- Hasek, Canada -vs- USA and the level of play was IMO much higher.

This year it just feels like another victory, something we were expecting but not something of crucial importance unlike 2002.
Had we lost in 2002 I'd have been crushed. This time around that dread wasn't there IMO because we've proven we are the best for now (just my opinion!).

 

[oilers_guy_eddie]

That's a good point. If we'd lost the 2002 Olympics, winning this World Cup wouldn't have come close to making up for it. Winning or losing this tournament didn't have nearly the same impact.

 

[espo*]

Nope, not in those exact words but it seemed to be what you were implying or portaying took place...

No denying there were some calls that could have very have well been called on Canada, but the Czechs also got away with plenty themself...I specifically recall a Hamrlik cross check that went uncalled in the first... of course thats nothing new with Hamrlik in games that involve Canada in international play,*cough cough, Theo Fleury* ... If you think the Czech only made one illegal play the entire game, as the saying goes, and I hate to use such a recycled line, but I got a bridge to sell you...

Exactly.But he's only seeing what he wants to see and what he wants to see is Canada not deserving the win imo,to cheapen it somehow.If the Czechs had a problem with the reffing you can be sure we would have heard a lot about it right away but........nothing.They know the refs let them play and did a good job and thats how they wanted it.

 

[espo*]

Oh well, **** happens, breaks always have been and always will be a part of the game... Breaks that work for or against you isn't something that just became a part of the game this past Saturday...

And I still say that call on Vinny which led to a pp czech goal was as weak as it gets, compared to some of the crap they let slide both ways, yes both ways... Clearly the ref was looking to even the pp's at one a piece.

anyways, the refs didn't cost the czech the game, they had opporunties to win it, just failed to make the most of their chances...

and Ill state just for the record, give me a game reffed the way it was on Saturday over some of the crap reffed games over in Europe any day of the week.

This is bang on also.The refs let them play and decide things for themselves.If only they would do that at the worlds every year it would be a better tournament.We may as well start every game down 1-0 over there with the way they call the game on Canada,where even clean checks get called because it's Canada doing it.

 

[H/H]

Exactly.But he's only seeing what he wants to see and what he wants to see is Canada not deserving the win imo,to cheapen it somehow.

Yeah, I'm a big anti-Canadian, booo me.zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

 

[espo*]

Yeah, I'm a big anti-Canadian, booo me.zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

I think you are but only you know for sure.My experience is that a lot of people will rationalize everything in their mind to justify something they know deep down isn't right .It's a common human characterisitic which i'm guilty of doing from time to time.I've even done as you have done in the past,such as in nagano where for about two weeks i blamed the whole loss on the shootout system but when i cooled down i realised the Czech's won fairly under the existing rules and deserved to win.I think it's time for you to do the same in this matter.

 

[H/H]

My experience is that a lot of people will rationalize everything in their mind to justify something they know deep down isn't right

You mean like rationalizing away three blatant non calls?

he thing your theory falls on is that I simply have no emotional investment in either the Canadian or Czech team....if anything, I'd have it in the Canadian since my favorite player of all time is on that team.

Which means I viewed the game with neutral eyes, unlike some others here.

 

[Rob]

Team Canada has won the past two World Championships in Europe with European style officiating. There is no reason why a European team could not have won the World Cup.

 

[espo*]

You mean like rationalizing away three blatant non calls?

he thing your theory falls on is that I simply have no emotional investment in either the Canadian or Czech team....if anything, I'd have it in the Canadian since my favorite player of all time is on that team.

Which means I viewed the game with neutral eyes, unlike some others here.

Maybe with European style reffing neutral eyes,that garbage is what you are used to after all,what are penalties to you guys a lot of north american fans laugh at you know.Happens with every world championship i watch every year.I still stand by my opinion that Canada deserved to win,as i said,we get this from(some) euro fans every time we win so i've heard it all.Again,how are you so sure the Czechs would have one if the supposed non-call before Draper's goal had been called?.If that obvious "gimme" call for the Czech's on vinny had'nt been called the Czechs still would have been down 2-1 and had to tie right?The Czech's and Fin's lost(as did everyone else)please give it up.

 

[H/H]

Seriously, those penalties would've been called even in an NHL playoff game.

And again, don't start with those "euro guys always say..." blah blah blah. I was only referring to this game and this game only. I swear to God, discussing hockey with canadians is like talking politics with americans.

 

[chicpea*]

I swear to God, discussing hockey with canadians is like talking politics with americans.

Hey now, that's a bit much h/h.

 

[espo*]

Seriously, those penalties would've been called even in an NHL playoff game.

And again, don't start with those "euro guys always say..." blah blah blah. I was only referring to this game and this game only. I swear to God, discussing hockey with canadians is like talking politics with americans.

LOL,well at least you got me laughing there anyway.I still can't wrap my head on where you are coming from but as long as you entertain me i'm o.k with that.Canada won,let it go,better luck next time,don't forget there will be a next time.

 

[The Legend]

Here's something to think about: Some of you are complaining that Kris Draper's goal shouldn't have counted because there was a "blatant non-call" on it. In actuality, a penalty did occur on that play, but to the Czechs, and not the Canadians. There was a delayed call, that's why Draper let rip.


The penalty that you claim should have been called against Canada, wouldn't have been neccessary had the Czech player not interfered with the Canadian(I'm not sure who it was)

 

[Paxon]

The World Cup of Soccer is played in 1 country. ( I know the last one was in Japan and Korea but there were games in Europe in this tournament as well )

The World Championships are also played in 1 country. So are the World Juniors.

The country changes for the World Cup of Soccer, doesn't it? A different situation than the World/Canada Cup.