Canada can claim they invented hockey,after all,it is the modern form of the game that we consider hockey isn't it?no-one plays with brooms or whatever it is they used in primitive forms of the game that evolved into modern day hockey.
I'm sorry, but does this seem alittle bit hollow to anyone else
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cyclops said:
No it doesnt take anything away from Canadas win, it is just a point. A valid one. The fact that the teams did not look jetlagged does not mean they werent..it's something that doesnt have to show at all especially when you fight for survival.
cyclops said:
Yeah they can just like we finns claim Santa Claus, but it does not mean we are right. Santa belongs to everyone, and was "made up" from different legendary characters from different countries. Hockey...what it is today was also made up from pieces, and NA hockey is still different from the traditional european one. You can claim hockey all you want, but there are no trademarks.
O.K, no need to get all nasty on me,you're entitled to how you feel but the modern game of hockey was invented by Canadians,i don't see why that would upset anybody?I don't mind that santa claus is finnish,seems like just the kinda nice guy that would come out of that good country.We know hockey was invented by us and i don't see anything wrong with that,somebody had to invent it after all, i think we did the whole world a grand favour if you ask me.We should be proud of it!!No need to get upset about Canadian fans for that.Peace
VanIslander said:
I have been to the Azores, they have a really big satellite dish, cheap beer, and they speak Portuguese.
Perfect place too watch hockey.
However, I didn't see a hockey rink on the island I was on.
no13matssundin said:
The OSHL is anything but pro hockey. It's "organized" shinny hockey.
And I don't know how organized it is. Bryan McCabe, who is on the "commited to play" list has been quoted as saying he knows nothing about the league...
The only thing I find absurd is the refs. Having canadian refs calling a game featuring Canada at this level is just ridicilous, and unthinkable in any other sport.
Valid point but it certainly was'nt an issue last night was it?,it all worked out.Finland definately was'nt robbed or anything like that.
Really? I did'nt see that.Both teams had plenty of things let go.I was;nt crazy about the Lecavalier penalty that led to a goal either.It's not the end of the world that Canada has won again,each team should just focus on what they have to do better next time in order to beat them,such as scoring more goals then them and getting the lead.The time for sour grapes has passed.
Sour grapes? I don't care particularly for the Czechs, but the refereeing in that game was awful beyond words. Kris Draper's 3-2 goal was a direct result of a non-call on a blatant canadian penalty.
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The one thing I dont' get is the name, it's still the Canada Cup, an invitational tournament *not* staged by the IIHF.
It's as strange as the MLS making a tournament, calling it the WC and then inviting some countries and play according to the alien mls rules (don't know if they still do those weird penalty shots).
But all this talk is mostly irrelevant. This tournament was staged fairly with NHL rules. Canada won, they get that ugly cup. End of story.
It's as strange as the MLS making a tournament, calling it the WC and then inviting some countries and play according to the alien mls rules (don't know if they still do those weird penalty shots).
But all this talk is mostly irrelevant. This tournament was staged fairly with NHL rules. Canada won, they get that ugly cup. End of story.
I disagree completely that the referring was so awful but you can have your opinion.That game was reffed better than any game at the annual worlds,i never heard the Czech's complain about the reffing.And what about the Lecavalier penalty?That joke cost us a goal too remember?The biggest reason why that goal went in was that Vokoun misplayed the shot,it was a far distance slapshot,he should have made the save.When i look at the game last night i think Fin fans would have been relieved that nhl refs were used as they let the Fin's get away with a lot of interference and hooking that normally would be called over in europe and probably should have been called last night but they wanted to let them play and i agreed, i won't go into the high stick to Smyth at all,you draw you own conclusions.There is no need for this,your team played really well this tournament and you should be proud of them.Don't sully their performance with accusations of bad reffering as it was infinately better then any at the worlds,reffing was not a complaint by any of the teams at this tournament.imo this is sour grapesH/H said:
psycho_dad said:
I don't understand this at all. When Canada and America send players over to their World Championship squads to play in the semis or the finals, would be be considered a hollow victory if a European team won? Fact is. Not every country can get the perks. Different tournaments, different rules.
psycho_dad said:
Nobody claims that Canada owns hockey. The game was derived from other games and was created in Canada. Big deal. If Santa Claus was thought up and originated in Finland, that's cool. Neither country gains anything from either "fact" other than pride.
cyclops said:
First off, I'm not czech.
Second, the Czechs outplayed Canada in the third period, wherethe canadians did their best to imitate a backpack. There were SEVERAL blatant non calls by the refs in plain view, meaning they didn't miss them, they ignored them and THAT was what saved Canada from losing in regulation. The pressure the Czechs had at that point would surely have given them the lead.
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H/H said:
First off, mabye you should put where you are from so people wont mistake you for Czech.
Second, nobody will argue that the Czechs outplayed Canada. But Luongo was playing great (at times) and THAT was what saved Canada from losing in regulation.
And I would rather see calls being missed (like I saw on both teams) than bs calls being make (Vinnie's) which alter the score. If ther refs didnt give the Czechs that bad call, they wouldnt have been close enough to mount any pressure in the 3rd anyways (ya, I'm being facetious). But thats hockey.
How do you know that?I know you are not Czech and that's the point,if you are'nt then why all the fuss about them.You have no idea anymore then anyone else what would have happened in that game if certain calls would have been made.Maybe the Czech's would still have scored even if the ref had'nt blown the call against Vinny,maybe they would'nt have,maybe if Canada had Broduer in nets the Czech's would'nt have gotten 40 shots and Canada would have won 3-1 instead of 4-3 because Marty makes the saves Luongo does'nt.We are'nt god here,we don't know what would have happened anymore then we know what will happen tommorow when we wake up.We do know this....the Czechs lost and they are'nt complaining about the ref's,it's you who is doing this and it isn't really your concern i don't think.I assume you are from finland,they are your concern and they lost,what gets proven about the Czech game concerning that?If the Czechs had beaten Canada and then Finland you would be here complaining that the ref's should have called more penalties on them.This still smells of sour grapes to me.Whatever,i guess the only thing that counts is that i know Canada deserved to win .I'll leave it at that from here on in.ByeH/H said:
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PEli said:
Most of the players are in Europe before the tourney starts and can adjust propely. The only players who might have a jetlag issue in the World Champs are the ones flying over for the semis (and of course they are not only north americans but also europeans getting knocked out of the SC playoffs).
The human body adjust pretty slowly, around 1 hour/day. So seeing as the time difference between Europe-NA is 7-9 hours that's the amount of days it would take the Czech and Finnish players to adjust properly before the semis/finals. Now I am sure they tried with weird sleeping patterns here in Europe to adjust but that doesn't change that a 19.00 game in Finland is 8 hours (I think) earlier than a 19.00 game in Toronto.
So it definately is a factor. How big is hard to determine exactly but to pretend that the teams in the NA group don't have a significant advantage because of this is ignorant.
so were the last to world championship titles...held in europe under IIHF rules and their sad excuse for officials...considered hollow victories??? If so, hollow seems pretty f'n good...
2002 Olympic Gold
2003 +2004 World Championship
2004 World Cup
put that in your bong and smoke it Ricky...
2002 Olympic Gold
2003 +2004 World Championship
2004 World Cup
put that in your bong and smoke it Ricky...
It does'nt seem to matter under what circumstances or situations Canada wins, to some fans there is always an "angle" why they won.The tournament can be over in Europe, in North America or in the jungles of the rain forest and Canada did'nt deserve to win for some reason or another.Some fans just can't accept that their teams continue to lose to them because 9 times out of ten they are just better.Canada continues to win under any and all rules and in all countries but still to some fans they always say without fail..........it was'nt legitimate and it's hollow.It makes you wonder.
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