Waived: Ilya Samsonov - Recalled by the Leafs 1/10/24

[Leaf Fans]

I doubt they would do anything with it from a trade perspective. I think they will bring Samsonov back up at some point.

Maybe, but they are 1.55 to the good after the waiver, though Hildibeast has a cap hit.

 

[yubbers]

Is Gibson still on the Leafs radar?

 

[Gabriel426]

Sammy has not been score on in 2024. Hope he can continue.

 

[Da Mash]

Hope he gets his game straightened out ….we still need him this yr

When is Woll set to return ?

 

[Stephen]

Wonder what the betting odds would be for Matt Murray vs Ilya Samsonov getting to play another game for the Leafs first?

 

[Dekes For Days]

So I don’t often find myself agreeing with you, but here I do.
I thought last year Sammy looked like he was on his way and tracking to solidifying himself as a #1 goalie. I didn’t think he was there yet, but he sure seemed like he has heading that way.
I hope he gets back on track with some conditioning away from the spotlight.
Out of curiosity, at the end last year, if you’re Treliving and just arrived, with where things were at, at THAT time, what would you have done with Samsonov contract wise?

I think it was pretty reasonable to sign him to a 1 year deal last offseason. Cant really fault Treliving for that. He was too good last year to let walk, but hadn't been proven enough for a long term deal. This really just shows how unpredictable goalies are. He has the talent, so hopefully he can figure it out.

 

[Alamo Leafer]

Sammy has not been score on in 2024. Hope he can continue.

Inform the oilers

 

[JT AM da real deal]

Get better Sammy most everyone who understands mental health is with you .. forget about hockey for a little and focus on yourself

 

[saffronleaf]

We had to resign him. We had an unproven kid and nothing else. The key was holding the line and not committing long term. This idea we just walk away from him last year is Dubist nonsense.

Tre made two good goalie moves, bringing in Jones for solid depth and not committing/arbitration with Sam. Win, win.

Everyone wins, except the Leafs

 

[FerrisRox]

A GM should become popular and respected by fans because of the team’s ultimate success on the ice.

A GM shouldn’t become popular strictly based on of his age, political views, approach to player evaluation or some other unrelated factor.


I simply don’t get it.

I think a few different forces are colliding and the the result is a very odd phenomenon that is probably found in other fanbases as well, but it's particularly prevalent in Toronto.

I think the combination of the Maple Leafs long playoff success drought and the nature of "internet experts" created a very odd scenario where a certain faction of this fandom bought the magic beans.

Kyle Dubas, when he arrived, was heavily sold by the Maple Leafs brass, and in turn, much of the media as this young wonder boy who was going to totally change the way hockey teams were run and he had this bold, new, fresh vision and the Maple Leafs were on the verge of becoming Billy Bean's Oakland A's.

HFBoards - not the Leafs board, this whole website - has all kinds of posters, and many of them right here in this very board, who tend to make very extreme opinions, for whatever reason, and then, regardless of what happens, they *need* to be right. There's just a huge faction of posters that simply will never admit they were wrong, and when the evidence begins to pile up, they will desperately try to skew anything to support the idea that they were correct rather than simply admitting they had it all wrong.

I think some fans really desperately wanted to believe that Dubas was the answer and that great things were going to happen so when he started to make questionable moves, they refused to see it, because seeing it not only would hurt their "hope" but it would also require admitting they were wrong at all along. They were seduced by the idea that this guy really was something totally special and the Maple Leafs were so clever to go out and find him.

I don't think I need to name names, these people are plain as day and they are still at it today even with Dubas gone and failing somewhere else.

The Emperor Has No Clothes. The Maple Leafs are so much better off with him gone.

Bit surprising but deserved. Hopefully he can reset and get back to where he was last year.
Excited to see Hildeby at least.

You're a bit surprised that Ilya Samsonov has cleared waivers?

 

[Bluebear]

People who have no money generally think money is the solution to all problems.

There is a lot more in life than just money.

People who have money don't always realize the stress and anxiety and impact on the self esteem that people with no money have to deal with. I have a renter that is basically crying like a child to me that he can't make his rent, has a thousands of dollars in dental work scheduled is in pain, and his insurance is maxed and doesn't turn over until the summer and couldn't buy xmas gifts for his kids..money isn't everything, but yeah it solves a ton of problems.

 

[Darcy Tucker]

I just saw a report that he's no where to be found and did not report to the Marlies yet. He must have gotten into the special powder again over new years.

 

[Gallagbi]

I think a few different forces are colliding and the the result is a very odd phenomenon that is probably found in other fanbases as well, but it's particularly prevalent in Toronto.

I think the combination of the Maple Leafs long playoff success drought and the nature of "internet experts" created a very odd scenario where a certain faction of this fandom bought the magic beans.

Kyle Dubas, when he arrived, was heavily sold by the Maple Leafs brass, and in turn, much of the media as this young wonder boy who was going to totally change the way hockey teams were run and he had this bold, new, fresh vision and the Maple Leafs were on the verge of becoming Billy Bean's Oakland A's.

HFBoards - not the Leafs board, this whole website - has all kinds of posters, and many of them right here in this very board, who tend to make very extreme opinions, for whatever reason, and then, regardless of what happens, they *need* to be right. There's just a huge faction of posters that simply will never admit they were wrong, and when the evidence begins to pile up, they will desperately try to skew anything to support the idea that they were correct rather than simply admitting they had it all wrong.

I think some fans really desperately wanted to believe that Dubas was the answer and that great things were going to happen so when he started to make questionable moves, they refused to see it, because seeing it not only would hurt their "hope" but it would also require admitting they were wrong at all along. They were seduced by the idea that this guy really was something totally special and the Maple Leafs were so clever to go out and find him.

I don't think I need to name names, these people are plain as day and they are still at it today even with Dubas gone and failing somewhere else.

The Emperor Has No Clothes. The Maple Leafs are so much better off with him gone.

It's both sides and always has been, always will be. GMs are never all good or all bad and once you start labelling and selling them as that you lose the plot.

 

[Fogelhund]

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[Leaf Rocket]

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I think this is what is happening.

 

[Fogelhund]

I think this is what is happening.

At this point, it's probably best to work on his mental state right now first... just get the guy to mentally reset.

 

[Stephen]

I think a few different forces are colliding and the the result is a very odd phenomenon that is probably found in other fanbases as well, but it's particularly prevalent in Toronto.

I think the combination of the Maple Leafs long playoff success drought and the nature of "internet experts" created a very odd scenario where a certain faction of this fandom bought the magic beans.

Kyle Dubas, when he arrived, was heavily sold by the Maple Leafs brass, and in turn, much of the media as this young wonder boy who was going to totally change the way hockey teams were run and he had this bold, new, fresh vision and the Maple Leafs were on the verge of becoming Billy Bean's Oakland A's.

HFBoards - not the Leafs board, this whole website - has all kinds of posters, and many of them right here in this very board, who tend to make very extreme opinions, for whatever reason, and then, regardless of what happens, they *need* to be right. There's just a huge faction of posters that simply will never admit they were wrong, and when the evidence begins to pile up, they will desperately try to skew anything to support the idea that they were correct rather than simply admitting they had it all wrong.

I think some fans really desperately wanted to believe that Dubas was the answer and that great things were going to happen so when he started to make questionable moves, they refused to see it, because seeing it not only would hurt their "hope" but it would also require admitting they were wrong at all along. They were seduced by the idea that this guy really was something totally special and the Maple Leafs were so clever to go out and find him.

I don't think I need to name names, these people are plain as day and they are still at it today even with Dubas gone and failing somewhere else.

The Emperor Has No Clothes. The Maple Leafs are so much better off with him gone.

Kyle Dubas is basically the hockey management version of a TED Talk. By the time he was coming up in the world in 2015, his "vision" was basically what the Chicago Blackhawks and Pittsburgh Penguins were in progress of doing, winning cups on skill and skating over the brawnier model LA preferred.

With buzzy sounding phrases like "bet on yourself," "if you have time, use it," "I believe in talent" and comparing his own projects not so humbly to back to back cup champion Tampa Bay Lightning, the recipe to winning was as simple as talent multiplied by patience, with a sprinkling of mercenary self motivation and an ex-Soo Greyhound or two as the cherry on top.

Just seemed like his approach was somewhat superficial.

 

[FerrisRox]

Just seemed like his approach was somewhat superficial.

If you live in an area where the crops haven't grown in nearly twenty years, you are a lot more open to believing in magic beans.

 

[Stephen]

If you live in an area where the crops haven't grown in nearly twenty years, you are a lot more open to believing in magic beans.

No, I don't think that quite captures the spirit of his fandom. Cool youth pastor was the best, from Steve Dangle.

 

[CaptainCrunch17]

I think it was pretty reasonable to sign him to a 1 year deal last offseason. Cant really fault Treliving for that. He was too good last year to let walk, but hadn't been proven enough for a long term deal. This really just shows how unpredictable goalies are. He has the talent, so hopefully he can figure it out.

Thanks for the response.

Yep, my thoughts exactly.

Hopefully he gets back on track and gets back to where he was last year.

 

[TheGreenTBer]

Yes exactly.

A GM should become popular and respected by fans because of the team’s ultimate success on the ice.

A GM shouldn’t become popular strictly based on of his age, political views, approach to player evaluation or some other unrelated factor.

Dubas largely underachieved expectations and seemed to be revered by some fans for something other than the team’s success.

I simply don’t get it.

Thank you, thank you, THANK YOU for that.

I don't know where this mentality of losing being acceptable came from but it's cowardly and pathetic.

 

[Strangle]

I do not see Samsonov returning. I think he has played his last game with the Leafs.

If Keefe feels like he needs to go back to Sammy, we are in huge trouble

 

[CaptainCrunch17]

I think a few different forces are colliding and the the result is a very odd phenomenon that is probably found in other fanbases as well, but it's particularly prevalent in Toronto.

I think the combination of the Maple Leafs long playoff success drought and the nature of "internet experts" created a very odd scenario where a certain faction of this fandom bought the magic beans.

Kyle Dubas, when he arrived, was heavily sold by the Maple Leafs brass, and in turn, much of the media as this young wonder boy who was going to totally change the way hockey teams were run and he had this bold, new, fresh vision and the Maple Leafs were on the verge of becoming Billy Bean's Oakland A's.

HFBoards - not the Leafs board, this whole website - has all kinds of posters, and many of them right here in this very board, who tend to make very extreme opinions, for whatever reason, and then, regardless of what happens, they *need* to be right. There's just a huge faction of posters that simply will never admit they were wrong, and when the evidence begins to pile up, they will desperately try to skew anything to support the idea that they were correct rather than simply admitting they had it all wrong.

I think some fans really desperately wanted to believe that Dubas was the answer and that great things were going to happen so when he started to make questionable moves, they refused to see it, because seeing it not only would hurt their "hope" but it would also require admitting they were wrong at all along. They were seduced by the idea that this guy really was something totally special and the Maple Leafs were so clever to go out and find him.

I don't think I need to name names, these people are plain as day and they are still at it today even with Dubas gone and failing somewhere else.

The Emperor Has No Clothes. The Maple Leafs are so much better off with him gone.



You're a bit surprised that Ilya Samsonov has cleared waivers?

I would have been happy to have been wrong about Dubas. I really don’t care who the GM is in the end, I just want the team to win.

My issue with Dubas became that I just couldn’t see where his philosophical approach of trying to build a team built around 4 star forwards taking up close to half the salary cap could be successful, as it just didn’t allow enough salary to round out the rest of the team. And, also, the players who he had as those 4 stars to me were all too similar to each other.

So for me, as time went on during Dubas’s tenure, he started to feel like he was too much flawed like Burke but just in a different way.

Burke’s issue was that he seemingly over valued and over emphasized truculence over most other player skills and attributes. So instead of trying to build a multi-faceted team, he always seemed to fall into the trap of wanting big grinder types and then overpaying them.

Dubas on the other hand, seemed to be the alter-ego of Burke where Dubas wanted to do nothing more than pick up more and more offence first players and to me, that wasn’t going to work either.

So hopefully Treliving can build a team that is less one dimensional and more well rounded and is able to play different ways depending on the situation.

 

[Fogelhund]

'We had to do something different': Maple Leafs' Treliving details plan for Samsonov

Yep, we're talking about practice. Something, anything had to change for Ilya Samsonov, and Toronto Maple Leafs general manager Brad Treliving's plan for his goaltender is practice.

www.sportsnet.ca

'We had to do something different': Maple Leafs' Treliving details plan for Samsonov​

 

[hockeywiz542]

GM Treliving, Maple Leafs hopeful that reset plan for Samsonov works

Maple Leafs GM Brad Treliving said Ilya Samsonov will work with Marlies goalie coach Hannu Toivonen and staff to get his game in order.

torontosun.com

“I checked outside, the goaltender tree was empty,” Treliving said, tongue somewhat in cheek. “I couldn’t pick one off there today. We’ll see with a little bit of sun, maybe they will grow a few more.”

The almost-completely kidding aside — there’s no doubt that Treliving has been scouring the NHL for another goalie — there’s little choice but for the Leafs to work with Samsonov and hope that he gets his game back to a level where he can be trusted in an NHL crease again.

To that end, though the 26-year-old Samsonov has been sent to the Toronto Marlies, he won’t practise with or play for the Leafs’ American Hockey League affiliate in the coming days. Instead, he will buckle down with Marlies goalie coach Hannu Toivonen and the development team in an attempt to get his game in order.

“We’re going to take this week to try to use as a reset,” Treliving said. “It’s a physical and a mental reset where he can get away from preparing for the next game and all the pressures that come with it.”

“What we’re seeing here is the ‘mental drives the bus’ a little bit. It’s hard to correct the physical and maybe the technical side when there’s a lot going on (and) I think there’s a lot going on with him. We’re trying to let the air out of the balloon a little bit.”

“We know there’s a good goalie there. He has shown that in the past. You have to find a way to do something different and help him. We’re trying to use all the resources we can to help him get back to where we know he’s capable of getting back to.”

The catch is that there’s nothing written in stone that says Samsonov eventually again will be the guy who was seventh in save percentage in the NHL last season. If this move is not a last-ditch attempt by the Leafs, it’s certainly close to one.