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Rumor: Ilya Kovalchuk will be signing a 2-3 year deal with NYR
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So the rebuild plan is to use what they have for the most part, the Hayes, Kreider, Zbad, Shattenkirk, etc, add in a Kovalchuk or whatever, develop some non top of the league skaters to join the non top of the league skaters they already have and then what? Trade some of them for the next version of Nash whoever that may be?
To me that seems like I already saw that and also seems like an outline of team building to still lose in the playoffs to the teams who tanked or just stunk for a couple years, rebuilt by getting top picks and ended up with some of the top of the league skaters.
To me that seems like I already saw that and also seems like an outline of team building to still lose in the playoffs to the teams who tanked or just stunk for a couple years, rebuilt by getting top picks and ended up with some of the top of the league skaters.
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No I don't think you're missing anything, I just think it's a bad comparable. Whenever you're comparing a 2 year deal to a single year on a 12 year contract, it gets sticky, especially when it's a cap-cheating contract like this one. Hossa didn't agree to that year on it's own.
I just meant that's what would be reasonable from our perspective. I'm not saying IK would go for it. And I used the cap hit instead of the actual amount paid, since a two-year contract would likely be linear, in which case payment should equal the cap hit. Or am I missing something in the calculation? I'll admit cap accounting isn't my forte.
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Yeah, in hindsight, my parallel was too simplistic. You raise some good points. Thanks for your input!
offdacrossbar
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kovy can do 4 things for this organization.
1. add some shooting/finishing and the respect that comes with his still dangerous shot. pp would benefit. its not like we have tons of guys who can really shoot it.
2. add a marquee name. its broadway and a return of kovy to the league would be an event.
3. add the "russian factor" to the team and allow for the young russians to have their mentor.
4. hes so slow, that all of our returning slow guys would actually look faster. perception is reality.
1. add some shooting/finishing and the respect that comes with his still dangerous shot. pp would benefit. its not like we have tons of guys who can really shoot it.
2. add a marquee name. its broadway and a return of kovy to the league would be an event.
3. add the "russian factor" to the team and allow for the young russians to have their mentor.
4. hes so slow, that all of our returning slow guys would actually look faster. perception is reality.
aufheben
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What does being a "diehard" Ranger fan have to do with evaluating a player in the KHL, or even player evaluation in general? Kovalchuk is a point-per-game player in the 2nd best professional hockey league in the world. A lot of people questioned Radulov's future production when he came back from the KHL two years ago; dude hit 72 points this year (at age 31).Who died and left you in charge of deciding what Rangers fans think is a good move or not. Most if not ALL of the diehards I speak to hate the idea of this washed up mercenary coming here for 6 million. Part of me hopes he does and gets a no movement clause so all of you who think we can turn around and flip him are wrong too. You’d rather have this ass clown then a heart and soul guy like Zucc
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What difference does 1 year make or 2? Pretty much nothing. We will still have a ton of cap room and have no RFAs going to be demanding big money that 2nd year.
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What's so critical about cap hit in year 2 of rebuild for the Rangers or having Kovalchuk on that roster where he could be of help in so many ways, including a trade bait?
Didn't someone say that the Rangers got permission to negotiate with Kovy last summer? I don't know if that's true but if it is then this all could be a kind of assumption on what Kovy wants in a contract with the Rangers and is interested in joining them based on what was talked about last year.
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HockeyBasedNYC
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Why would you trade away your captain and half the teams veterans, start a rebuild, fire the coach and then bring in a selfish quitter as a "mentor"?
I don't get it. I don't care how good the guy is. And he's slowed down, gonna be 35. He didn't play out the contract he signed, he quit on his team and the NHL. I don't want disloyal, selfish players leading the youth of this team. Youth that we sacrificed so much to bring in here I might add. I dont care if they are Russian, Swedish or Martian.
Sorry. I know it may be exciting to bring in a bonafide star with some major talent left in the tank, even in a "rebuilding year". But the Rangers fan who went through the dark years of playoff-less hockey with Sather doling out country club contracts to vet after vet in the twilight of their careers, tells me we've been down this road before.
If the guy was a 2 or 3-time cup winner maybe there's something there. He really had only one run with the Devils in the playoffs and he came up -7. He's a one-dimensional player and not someone I want as the face of the franchise going forward.
I'd rather wind up at the bottom of the standings again and go for another lotto pick then have another 25-35 goals that gets us no where in the end and takes minutes away from developing players who need the ice time.
I don't get it. I don't care how good the guy is. And he's slowed down, gonna be 35. He didn't play out the contract he signed, he quit on his team and the NHL. I don't want disloyal, selfish players leading the youth of this team. Youth that we sacrificed so much to bring in here I might add. I dont care if they are Russian, Swedish or Martian.
Sorry. I know it may be exciting to bring in a bonafide star with some major talent left in the tank, even in a "rebuilding year". But the Rangers fan who went through the dark years of playoff-less hockey with Sather doling out country club contracts to vet after vet in the twilight of their careers, tells me we've been down this road before.
If the guy was a 2 or 3-time cup winner maybe there's something there. He really had only one run with the Devils in the playoffs and he came up -7. He's a one-dimensional player and not someone I want as the face of the franchise going forward.
I'd rather wind up at the bottom of the standings again and go for another lotto pick then have another 25-35 goals that gets us no where in the end and takes minutes away from developing players who need the ice time.
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Because he's a free asset that lets us move other assets for more futures.
Sign Kovalchuk for nothing but cash, give him minutes that would otherwise go to Zucc/Spooner/Vlad - move 2 or all of them, get more picks and/or young players.
The net outcome of that is whatever Kovalchuk's deal costs in money for whatever assets they can get from Zucc/Spooner/Vlad. It's literally buying futures.
For me at least, him being a "star" or "leader" or whatever doesn't even enter into it. It's getting futures that the team needs for nothing but money, which the team has tons of. Also, if he's still here next year it may help Rykov and/or Shesty come over, which turns potential NHL assets into guaranteed NHL assets - again getting young players as a result of spending money and nothing else.
As far as face of the franchise, nobody else will be the face of this franchise as long as Lundqvist is still playing.
You may want to bottom out instead, but it seems that Gorton doesn't and he's the one with his hands on the wheel.
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I don’t get the narrative that he’s slow, he looked pretty damn fast in the Olympics. Especially in OT, he was a beastkovy can do 4 things for this organization.
1. add some shooting/finishing and the respect that comes with his still dangerous shot. pp would benefit. its not like we have tons of guys who can really shoot it.
2. add a marquee name. its broadway and a return of kovy to the league would be an event.
3. add the "russian factor" to the team and allow for the young russians to have their mentor.
4. hes so slow, that all of our returning slow guys would actually look faster. perception is reality.
Yeah I wrote that, it’s correct right?
Shero let Grossman try to find a deal for Kova:
https://www.tsn.ca/shero-kovalchuk-still-plans-to-play-in-nhl-1.778953
By many other accounts we had discussions with Shero who supposedly wanted a 1st for Kova. I am sure Grossman and Gorts at least touched base. Gorts don’t seem like someone who leaves stones unturned. Grossman is a NYR guy. I think I remember hearing how his sister litterary was born in MSG during a hockey game...
Shero owns exclusive rights to negotiate with Kova as I understand it. He must have waived those rights in order to enable Grossman. Was that a general waiver or was it limited to last summer?
A not terribly unlikely scenario is that we and Kova agreed on a contract last summer. 3 years 6m per. It wasn’t a +35 contract. We also let him know, that if a trade couldn’t be worked out we would be interested in him again next summer. Kova knows that and had his people spread the word that he will go here (if the offer is still on the table). 2-3 years, was it 3 years last summer and 2 now?
Larry B. also commented on the recent twitter news from Russia.
Quote. A report on Twitter out of Russia that Ilya Kovalchuk has agreed to a “two- or three-year deal” with the Rangers is premature. quote end.
https://nypost.com/2018/04/09/rangers-gm-backs-lundqvists-vision-for-next-season/
Quote. A report on Twitter out of Russia that Ilya Kovalchuk has agreed to a “two- or three-year deal” with the Rangers is premature. quote end.
https://nypost.com/2018/04/09/rangers-gm-backs-lundqvists-vision-for-next-season/
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I remember the dark times very well. This isn't that. Gorton isn't signing Kovy in an effort to win a cup now. If he signs him, it will be to further his efforts at rebuilding the team. Sign Kovy, trade Zucc. The team is basically the same, except we now have even more ammunition to move up in the draft or trade to get the players we really want. Gorton isn't going to give Kovy more than 2 years. Kovy will be gone by the time this team is ready to compete again, most likely traded for even more assets.
I honestly don't give a shit how Kovy does on the ice, except that it affects the value we can get for him in a trade. I'm not looking for him to save the team or be a leader or any of that nonsense. I don't care about him being a star. There's no shiny new toy syndrome going on here. If his presence encourages Shesterkin and Rykov to come over, great, but I think they'll come over regardless. If his presence helps Buch become a better player, great again. But Kovy is a stopgap and a trade chip. He enables us to sell off other guys and still maintain at least a decent team that actually has a chance of making the playoffs, instead of a bottom feeder like Buffalo where losing has become a part of the culture.
It takes time to build a team the right way. This is part of the process. You bring in players who can help in the short term, but you only sign them to short term contracts so they are gone once they have outlived their usefulness. You want to avoid the dark times? This is what we need to do.
Tawnos
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I think this is 100% what happened.
The real question is whether or not that offer is even still on the table.
Agreed in terms of this not being the dark ages. This looks more like Kovalchuk playing the role of Jagr circa 2005.
HockeyBasedNYC
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If we are talking about grabbing him at the cost of nothing other than $, only to move him (quickly, like one season) elsewhere to gain more assets than I am with all of you.
Brooklyn Rangers Fan
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Much more likely to keep him and insert him in the top 6, after moving others, like Zucc, for futures.
If it's a 2-3 year deal, which it likely would be, then I think it's much more probable he would be moved at the TDL of his last year.
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