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Not saying I agree with it ...
Frankly, I agree with you both, if anything.
Rumor: Ilya Kovalchuk will be signing a 2-3 year deal with NYR
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Not saying I agree with it ...
Frankly, I agree with you both, if anything.
Tawnos
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Those players aren’t really out there in this years FA class. At least none that I think are worth a look.
I’m not concerned about Staal’s contract at all for exactly the reason you stated.
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Pretty terrible article.
There is very basic logic behind this move. It makes a ton of sense - the premise that it’s not a good idea to add Kovy unless you’re going to win next year is clueless and way too simplistic. It doesn’t take a ton of imagination to get the logic behind this and even if one doesn’t get there themselves it’s been spelled out on here dozens of times in the past day.
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not sure i get the kovy stuff. i mean, are we contending next season or mearly trying to make the playoffs.
look, hes 35 and even when he was "good", he never back checked and rarely did anything but cherry pick and shoot. granted, his shot is still dangerous and he's a very good passer, but those legs ? really ?
2 yrs 6 per i can live with. anything more than that and its a solid NO from me.
i prefer, and always have, developing a yute over this signing older FA's thing. brings back too many bad memories for me.
on the other hand, he's russian and so that, in and of itself, i like.
look, hes 35 and even when he was "good", he never back checked and rarely did anything but cherry pick and shoot. granted, his shot is still dangerous and he's a very good passer, but those legs ? really ?
2 yrs 6 per i can live with. anything more than that and its a solid NO from me.
i prefer, and always have, developing a yute over this signing older FA's thing. brings back too many bad memories for me.
on the other hand, he's russian and so that, in and of itself, i like.
I really do not agree witb paying a guy $6 million per year when he was making that amount 5 years ago when he was last in the NHL. Now if it was $3 million per that is a different story and completely fair.
Ooooh, a reference to Manti Te'o and his fake girlfriend! I love six-year-old topical humor.
Whata shitty article.
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Five years ago the cap was $64M. For next season it's coming in between $78M-$82M. So, a $6M salary now is comparably less than it was five years ago. If you tie the salary strictly to the inflation of the cap, $6M then would be like $4.5m now.
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His last NHL season, he actually made $11 million. If his contract were still in tact, he would have made $10 million this season and $7 million next season.
Kaapo Cabana
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I really don't understand why anybody wouldn't want this for 2 years.
3 might be a stretch, but 2 years is nothing. the money doesn't matter right now
Worst case scenario, he is horrible and we trade him with money retained in the 2nd year and get a shitty draft pick pack (still is a net positive)
If he is great, then he is a free asset that helps the kids develop. which depending on our status, we can move if need be.
I would get the angst if this was a long term thing, but its not.
3 might be a stretch, but 2 years is nothing. the money doesn't matter right now
Worst case scenario, he is horrible and we trade him with money retained in the 2nd year and get a shitty draft pick pack (still is a net positive)
If he is great, then he is a free asset that helps the kids develop. which depending on our status, we can move if need be.
I would get the angst if this was a long term thing, but its not.
haveandare
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Not contending by any means, hes a free asset who allows us to move other assets like Zucc, Spooner and Vlad without totally bottoming out. The net of signing him is spending nothing but money to get more picks and/or young players. Pretty perfect outcome for a team with a ton of money trying to rebuild.not sure i get the kovy stuff. i mean, are we contending next season or mearly trying to make the playoffs.
look, hes 35 and even when he was "good", he never back checked and rarely did anything but cherry pick and shoot. granted, his shot is still dangerous and he's a very good passer, but those legs ? really ?
2 yrs 6 per i can live with. anything more than that and its a solid NO from me.
i prefer, and always have, developing a yute over this signing older FA's thing. brings back too many bad memories for me.
on the other hand, he's russian and so that, in and of itself, i like.
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Watching the tape on Ilya he does look slower than I remember, which makes sense given the age.
Big experiment to see if he can adapt while losing the break-end speed he used to have. I dont think he is as dependent on it as Gaborik was, but NYR will have to put him in a position to succeed with linemates that can lug the puck up the ice.
Big experiment to see if he can adapt while losing the break-end speed he used to have. I dont think he is as dependent on it as Gaborik was, but NYR will have to put him in a position to succeed with linemates that can lug the puck up the ice.
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A lot depends on conditioning and ability to re-adjust to the NHL. If both exceed expectations, then we could look at Hossa's contract for inspiration, with a downward adjustment due to Kovy's mediocre two-way play.
Marian had a cap hit of $5.3MM at 35, so maybe $4.5-5.0 would be reasonable for Ilya.
Edit: We could also use Gaborik, who is more of a scorer than he is a two-way forward, as an example. He has a hit of $4.875MM this season and is 36 years old.
This leaves us in the same range of $4.5-$5.0MM range. (And, no, I didn't choose these two guys as examples simply because they're featured in my avatar.)
Marian had a cap hit of $5.3MM at 35, so maybe $4.5-5.0 would be reasonable for Ilya.
Edit: We could also use Gaborik, who is more of a scorer than he is a two-way forward, as an example. He has a hit of $4.875MM this season and is 36 years old.
This leaves us in the same range of $4.5-$5.0MM range. (And, no, I didn't choose these two guys as examples simply because they're featured in my avatar.)
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It's a smart business decision, you flip him for assets in the future, you use him to lure Shestyorkin and Rykov from Russia and you can trade Zucc for more assets without killing the ice product next season.
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I just want to see an umbrella PP with Z-bad on the left circle and Kovy at the top--with Zuccarello on the right circle.
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Frankly, if this is true, I think it means Zucc is almost assuredly traded.
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Who died and left you in charge of deciding what Rangers fans think is a good move or not. Most if not ALL of the diehards I speak to hate the idea of this washed up mercenary coming here for 6 million. Part of me hopes he does and gets a no movement clause so all of you who think we can turn around and flip him are wrong too. You’d rather have this ass clown then a heart and soul guy like Zucc
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Rangers: "Hey Ilya, Marian Hossa had a cap hit of $5.275 million at age 35 on his contract that he signed in 2009, on a contract that actually paid him $7.4125 million per season."
Ilya: "The f*** do I care?"
That fansided article was written by someone who probably hates the rangers or is just clueless and had to force an article out by some deadline.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with this signing, especially if it's kept to only two years. If kovy gets three yrs then it goes from a great signing to a good signing. From the looks of it kovy can still snipe just as good as anyone in the NHL. Him scoring goals is going to be great in boosting the confidence of our young offense. The only worry is that he becomes some sort of locker room cancer, which isn't something we've heard about kovy except for maybe his first few years in the NHL? Add do that, he'll be joining a team he is choosing along with a location that he loves, so I see no reason for him to become a wart on our young impressionable roster.
If people want a bottom feeder...I just don't see that happening unless Gorton trades Hank and the likes of Kreider and Zbad. Especially with a new coach that is most likely going to deploy an effective defensive scheme along with the return of Shatty and an effective Smith.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with this signing, especially if it's kept to only two years. If kovy gets three yrs then it goes from a great signing to a good signing. From the looks of it kovy can still snipe just as good as anyone in the NHL. Him scoring goals is going to be great in boosting the confidence of our young offense. The only worry is that he becomes some sort of locker room cancer, which isn't something we've heard about kovy except for maybe his first few years in the NHL? Add do that, he'll be joining a team he is choosing along with a location that he loves, so I see no reason for him to become a wart on our young impressionable roster.
If people want a bottom feeder...I just don't see that happening unless Gorton trades Hank and the likes of Kreider and Zbad. Especially with a new coach that is most likely going to deploy an effective defensive scheme along with the return of Shatty and an effective Smith.
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I just meant that's what would be reasonable from our perspective. I'm not saying IK would go for it. And I used the cap hit instead of the actual amount paid, since a two-year contract would likely be linear, in which case payment should equal the cap hit. Or am I missing something in the calculation? I'll admit cap accounting isn't my forte.
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He said nothing to suggest he was speaking for all Ranger fans. He can think that both you and the writer of the article are wrong.Who died and left you in charge of deciding what Rangers fans think is a good move or not. Most if not ALL of the diehards I speak to hate the idea of this washed up mercenary coming here for 6 million. Part of me hopes he does and gets a no movement clause so all of you who think we can turn around and flip him are wrong too. You’d rather have this ass clown then a heart and soul guy like Zucc
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