Furthermore no canadian NHL player wants to go to the WC 's after their team bows out of the playoffs. They would rather take the time off to heal. Canada often has players playing in the Swiss league playing in that tournament.
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Furthermore no canadian NHL player wants to go to the WC 's after their team bows out of the playoffs. They would rather take the time off to heal. Canada often has players playing in the Swiss league playing in that tournament.
Frank the Tank
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The World Championships are played at the same time as when the best club teams in the world (NHL) are playing for their league championship. Therefore, a significant portion of the the best players are not available to participate, making it a fun competition, but far from a best-on-best tournament. If the IIHF waited until the NHL playoffs were done to hold the WC, one may have an argument, but that is not the case. In contrast, the Olympics have no competing games and thus are best-on-best. It's pretty simple really.
Looking at the rosters they've had its pretty ridiculous that they havent been able to make it past the QF, no doubt they still bring the most talented teams, maybe they need better coaches or something
thenextone
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It's why the tournament isn't relevant except for seeding in the big tourneys
Imagine if Canada sent amateurs to the next 4 WCs and didn't qualify for the Olympics as a result...what a farce the ranking system would be
Since it is not a recognized best on best tournament Canada doesn't take it seriously. It is what it is - an exhibition tournament that has little meaning.
The only tournaments that matter are world Cups and Olympics with NHL participation.
We bring young talented teams but necessarily teams built to win. Big difference. Again we use it to give the young guys a taste of international play so they are better prepared for things like the Olympics. Seems to be working out for us. Well, except for the world rankings. We'll take our gold medals though...
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Mitch Matthewlander
SanDogBrewin
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The World Championships are not even televised in the USA. (Not sure if it is televised in Canada). We are watching the Stanley Cup at that time.
In 2012 we played a junior (ryan murray) with zero pro experience. That is how much Canada takes the WC's seriously.
To be honest i have never watched the WC's - i had to google our past rosters.
This is a ranking based on results of IIHF senior tournaments. Those include the WC and Olympics. If you only consider the Olympics meaningful then you don't need a ranking, the olympic standings are your ranking.
Why get all hot and bothered about a ranking based mostly on the WC if you don't care about the WC?
Why get all hot and bothered about a ranking based mostly on the WC if you don't care about the WC?
Frank the Tank
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So if not the IIHF, who schedules the World Championships during the NHL playoffs? Was not Bunny Ahearne the president of the IIHF when he labeled Canada the bad boys of hockey and tried numerous times to purge Canadian rosters of former professionals (who had retired years ago) while turning a blind eye to the practices of the Communist Bloc countries? The IIHF created the ongoing rift between itself and the NHL (along with the North American hockey federations). They have no one to blame but themselves for alienating the two largest hockey markets in the world and holding a second tier tournament in European every year that is ignored by a significant portion of hockey fans.
In the end this boils down to the fact that now that all the other excuses have been blasted by this version of Team Canada (can't win in Europe or on big ice or go undefeated) it is humorous to see the last bastion of hope of Canada haters is to elevate the World Championships to the level of the Olympics. My response to that is just be thankful that Canada doesn't send our best every year or that tournament would become pretty boring watch Canada claim gold the significant majority of years. I mean we held serve on home ice winning gold under intense pressure and then four years later skated into the Olympics hosted by Russia, our main hockey rivals, and just dominated our way to another gold. It will be difficult to top those performances.
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I'm not bothered about IIHF rankings at all. Why would anyone care except for those trying to qualify for group A and those hanging on in Group A. Ti me the rankings are necessary to qualify for best on best tournaments like the Olympics.
Ohashi_Jouzu*
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I guess Kwiatkowski doesn't count in '08/09 because he technically played in the KHL then (is in the Swiss league now), nor Cory Murphy (who ended up in the Swiss league after his N.Am. pro dreams expired), nor Mario Scalzo (who moved from the DEL to the NLA after appearing in the '10/11 WC), nor Jay Harrison (who played in the NLA for a year after being stuck with the Marlies for an entire season without a call-up just a few years before his debut in the WC last time)?
I mean, technically you're right, but technically Metropolit was (still is?) "better" than all of them, too (except maybe Harrison, who still has NHL value after he got a second chance with Carolina).
I don't know what group A is but you're right. They're essentially just a tool for seeding tournaments.
It's just that some people seem to misunderstand it and think that it's a slight on Canada by the IIHF or gives Europeans bragging rights or whatever, when it's just the same mathematical formula that it's been for decades. Who cares or remembers who was #1 in the rankings in 2006? I sure as hell don't, but I do remember who won the gold that year.
To be honest i didn't realize their was a ranking system. I get why its there though.
Well lots of people play in Switzerland at one point or another in their careers. Canadian roster has been predominantly from the NHL with only rare exceptions for a long time now though, I think was the point.
Slitty
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This isn't a BEST HOCKEY NATION IN THE WORLD!!!1!!!1! [or whatever Canadians want to call themselves] rankings. These are the IIHF World Rankings, based on performance at IIHF tournaments over the last four years. There is a published formula based on how these rankings are calculated. If you want to do better in these specific rankings - do better at IIHF tournaments, World Championships included. If these rankings are meaningless to you - stop complaining.
Drij
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This is ridiculous, anyone who watched these games knows that these rankings simply aren't accurate. It's borderline insulting to see something this poorly done coming from an organization like the IIHF. I can't even believe how wrong this is.
Ireland behind South Africa is a disgrace to hockey
Ireland behind South Africa is a disgrace to hockey
Ohashi_Jouzu*
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How many can you find among current/former Canadian olympians? I think that was the counter-point. Which countries' olympic rosters differ the most from their preceding WC rosters, would you guess?
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