IIHF World Rankings

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Really?
8 pages of complaining about this ranking and the IIHF? Someone told me yesterday that somebody has stolen a bicycle in China.
Look at the FIFA ranking in football (soccer): Brasil 9th, behind countries like Colombia, Switzerland and Uruguay. And it is líke that: Brasil can't play games in a real competition, just friendlies, and that is what harms them mathematically. But it is worthless and has got nothing to do with reality. Truth is in the stadium/in the rink.
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found this pretty funny when looking up mexican hockey

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Who cares. We have won last two olympics. On NHL ice, on big ice.

We are the best.

Btw, to be the first at IIHF ranking is not what matters. Winning the best-of-best tournament is what matters.
 
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You are quite dumb, if you think the players don't care. Did you watch your team playing against us in 2004? One of the best games ever played...but players don't care :sarcasm:

You know what, it's only because these tournaments are in Canada. If the same tournament with the same players was played in Europe, you would probably see it as one of the best tournament ever. But it's in Canada, so you don't care. :yo:
 
It's always great to see Canadians whining about the rankings.

Guys, deal with it, you're not the best team in the world. The IIHF is not to blame for the fact that you're not sending your best players to the World Championship.

You have the most talent, but if you're not sending your best players, your team isn't going to be ranked #1. That's pretty simple and straightforward.

If you don't like it, send your best team to IHWC.

Also, no one cares about the World Cup. I didn't even know such a thing existed. I haven't seen a single game of it, even though I'm a hardcore fan of international hockey.


We have won last two olympics, and 4 of last 5 best-of-best tournaments, dude.
 
Yup, it's just mind-boggling how people in Canada/North America aren't capable of understanding the concept of a 'world ranking'.

Can you imagine, say, the Spanish national team in football sending their C team to the World Cup and whining about how they've dropped in the rankings after the tournament? :laugh:

It's like they're living in a bubble.

No, we are just aware that the IIHF rankings are flawed because the data being input into the formula is flawed. The IIHF has an important financial incentive to make sure the World Championships are taken seriously, especially in Europe where they rely on numerous TV deals to make a profit. So they schedule the events based on the European hockey schedule because that makes them the most money. This conflicts with the NHL playoffs, however, and therefore North American players/fans view the world championships as a consolation prize awarded to the best of the losers.

To extend your analogy, it would be like the rest of Europe scheduling a yearly European championship in the middle of La Liga playoffs and then wondering why Spain doesn't send their best players and/or take these self-titled "Euro championships" seriously.
 
Never heard of these ******** rankings before and don't care. Those who do are fooling themselves and in denial about who is the best. These are right up there with Corsi rankings as far as I am concerned. Useless.
 
With that said, it is a shame to see how casual an approach is taken to this tournament by the Canadians. They should be sending teams to these tournament to compete, not to get some junior players a bit of experience for when it really matters. I'd hope the Canadians would actually have a bit of pride.

Hockey Canada does usually send players to compete - it's just that players who have never played at an Olympics feel the need to get international experience if they ever want to get in an Olympics. Most of the time these are younger players. I don't think Hamhuis or Smith are on the Olympic team if they weren't at the 2013 Worlds (and playing as the #1D and #1G respectively).

Its so obviously ironic it makes me laugh. :laugh:

"We could send 5 teams to Olympics to compete for the gold!"

Another early exit in WHC.. "Our best players are in SC Playoffs!"

First of all, not all best players play in playoffs, best team do and all top teams have that same "problem".

The Canadian team at the last Worlds could compete for gold though - they just didn't win, but they were good enough to. A shootout loss to the gold medallists in the QF? They score one more goal there and they have favourable matchups against Finland and Switzerland for the gold.

Apologies in advance for my ignorance. But I had no clue that Middle Eastern and African countries participated in international hockey tournaments. Are there hockey clubs in these countries or do guys just train abroad?

They have rinks in tropical countries nowadays. A lot of these are in Arab countries where they have tons of oil money to spare.

TC treats the WHC like a development or try out tournament, to see what they have in their stable for the next potential Olympics or World Cup. It's a revolving door of players and coaches while Russia, Finland and Sweden keep having their core group of go to guys (including legit superstars, at least 1 or 2) coming back year after year.

Russia is the only country where their superstars show up with any consistency. Sweden or Finland often don't send their best team either, and the USA certainly doesn't.

I'm just saying you can't discredit the worlds, because the best on best is also missing some of the best players who could've made all the difference.

Crosby, Toews, Doughty, and Keith were obliged by contract to play for their NHL teams while the 2013 Worlds were going on - they simply had another hockey tournament to play in at the time. They weren't injured.

Injuries are a fact of life. Best on best is an indicator of theoretical player availability. If a tournament is scheduled at such a time that it conflicts with no club team commitments, it is a best-on-best tournament. (whether 2004 World Cup, 2005 World Championships, 2014 Olympics)

The World Championships are not even televised in the USA. (Not sure if it is televised in Canada). We are watching the Stanley Cup at that time.

TSN shows it, and they do actually take it seriously and broadcast all the important games even when Canada isn't playing. It just happens in the morning when everyone's at work, so no one really pays attention. And unlike Olympics they can't replay it at night, because Stanley Cup is going on.

I don't know what group A is but you're right. They're essentially just a tool for seeding tournaments.

It's just that some people seem to misunderstand it and think that it's a slight on Canada by the IIHF or gives Europeans bragging rights or whatever, when it's just the same mathematical formula that it's been for decades. Who cares or remembers who was #1 in the rankings in 2006? I sure as hell don't, but I do remember who won the gold that year.

Yep. Who cares about a ranking? No one remembers who was #1 in the ranking.
 
Mehhhh. Who really cares? We have 2 straight Olympic Gold medals. I'll take that over some stupid IIHF ranking, all day every day.
 
Looking at the Czech's being above the U.S is another example on how stupid these rankings are. Canada being ranked #3 after winning the past 2 Olympics is crazy. The Olympics shouldn't be valued the same as the World Championships at all.

Anyway who cares. We've won the last 2 best on best tournaments, thats all that matters.
 
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While the Olympics should be weighted more, the WC have to have some importance. Canadians often state how good their depth is, and the WC as far as I am concerned, is a good way to measure depth.

The 2002 Olympics and the 2010 Olympics are meaningless at this point.
To me they're not meaningless. Well maybe 2002 as that was quite some time ago and those players aren't involved with Hockey Canada anymore, but 2010 still means a thing because many of the players are still playing and are actually on this year's team.

Whilst I love the World Championships and do want us to perform well ever year, I don't really think even that is a good indication of our depth because so many of our players refuse to go. Honestly, I rather not medal at 4 World Championships for one Olympic gold medal.
 
To me they're not meaningless. Well maybe 2002 as that was quite some time ago and those players aren't involved with Hockey Canada anymore, but 2010 still means a thing because many of the players are still playing and are actually on this year's team.

Whilst I love the World Championships and do want us to perform well ever year, I don't really think even that is a good indication of our depth because so many of our players refuse to go. Honestly, I rather not medal at 4 World Championships for one Olympic gold medal.

Same here, if we bombed at every World Championship and won ever Olympics I'd take that in a heart beat.

Olympics= best on best. World Championship = the best of the rest. Canada is going to look so different in May. We're going to have a ton of players say no.

I really don't understand having the Olympics and then a World Championship in the same year. It defeats the purpose of the whole tournament. Countries are sending their best possible line-ups to the Olympics and then sending a bunch of second tier teams to a "World Championship" so so dumb.
 
No, you're 3rd based on results, nobody is arguing Canada is #1 on paper. Oh and the WC not being best on best is hardly an excuse considering Canada always has by far the best team in the tournament.
No sorry, usually it's Russia that has the best team at the World Championships. Some years, they have the majority of their Olympic roster.

I'm fine with the IIHF, but I find it ridiculous that winning the Olympics gets you the same amount of points as winning the World Championships.
 
Imagine if Canada sent amateurs to the next 4 WCs and didn't qualify for the Olympics as a result...what a farce the ranking system would be

Yeah! Absolutely!

Just imagine Brazil or Germany sending b or c squads to the World Cup qualifiers in football (soccer) - and did not qualify because of it! What a farce! Everybody knows they have the best teams in the world...on paper.



Thank god we have a ranking system to prevent teams from "tanking" in big international tournaments. It would be a farce otherwise!
 
Olympics should be valued twice as much as the World Championship IMO. Canada has won 3 out of the last 4 Olympics and we're ranked 3rd LOL. ****ing laughable.

Oh well, I guess we're just going to have to win gold in Belarus and that should get the IIHF to smarten up.
 
Also, Hockey Canada seems to use the World Championships as a testing ground to see what works and what not. That's why our teams are often very young and inexperienced. Sure they want to win, but not THAT badly. Our main focus has always been on best-on-best tournaments.
 
Also, Hockey Canada seems to use the World Championships as a testing ground to see what works and what not. That's why our teams are often very young and inexperienced. Sure they want to win, but not THAT badly. Our main focus has always been on best-on-best tournaments.

It'll be the same thing this year. Other than Edmonton and having possibly Hall, Eberle, Shultz, our team is going to look nothing like what we could bring which again points out how bad this tournament really is. It's not even close to best on best. We'll be lucky to even get the Staal brothers. But Carolina could make the playoffs so who knows. I have no idea who is going to be on this team. Huberdeau could come if he says yes, but other than that, everything is still up in the air.
 
Yeah! Absolutely!

Just imagine Brazil or Germany sending b or c squads to the World Cup qualifiers in football (soccer) - and did not qualify because of it! What a farce! Everybody knows they have the best teams in the world...on paper.



Thank god we have a ranking system to prevent teams from "tanking" in big international tournaments. It would be a farce otherwise!

Speaking of farces - If only there was some way to prevent tanking in games...
 
Why do Canadians always talk about how they don't have the best players for their world champs teams? Neither does any other team.
Most of us know that. What hurts the World Championships is that many more are missing as opposed to a best-on-best tournament. The latter only misses those who are injured. I personally love the World Championships and never miss it, but no way is it remotely approaching the Olympics' importance.
 
To me this is similar to; would you rather have your favorite NHL team win the Preidents Trophy or the Stanley Cup?

Would you rather be called the IIHFs top country or win the Olympic Gold?

Easy choice for both I would think.
 
I really don't understand having the Olympics and then a World Championship in the same year. It defeats the purpose of the whole tournament. Countries are sending their best possible line-ups to the Olympics and then sending a bunch of second tier teams to a "World Championship" so so dumb.

The reason is that there are other hockey countries than the ones that played in the Olympics, including the lower divisions that play yearly.

I do agree with many people that points from Olympics should have at least the double the value to WHC. But don't worry Canada, we all know that you are the best, at least for now.
 
That's right, we're not the best and we don't care. We have 3 Olympic gold medals since 1998. Each country has to chose its priority and Canada chooses Olympic gold. Other countries can put more effort on the World Championships if they want, to each their own.

Congrats Sweden for being #1 on the IIHF ranking. Did you had a big celebration for your #1 position?
 
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