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Prospect Info: Igor Shestyorkin Part I

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FLYLine27 said:
It's incredibly difficult to gauge. I'd would say that Shesty, Samsonov, and Sorokin are all basically neck and neck. All somewhere in the top 5 goaltending prospects.
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Ah, Sorokin was the guy I was thinking of instead of Koskinen.
 
Interesting conversational earlier today: one of my guys thinks that Halverson is a bust compared to Shesty.
 
Let Blaine Die said:
Until we have more depth in defense I would add Skjei to that. Less to do with the production of those five and more to do with our lack of assets on the backend who can excel in the new NHL.
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I could understand an argument for that. I don't consider him a core player though. I don't believe his ceiling is high enough to be a core player.

Thordic said:
Trouba straight up is a deal you take any day of the week. Proven NHL player, young, and fits a need. That's a hell of a lot more valuable than a great looking kid who still hasn't proved anything in the NHL. Unless he turns into the second coming of Hasek that's a win. (I don't think there's a chance in hell that trade would ever get offered to us)
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Should've added the caveat, barring an overpayment. Trouba is an overpayment. Winnipeg has no need to trade Trouba for Shestyorkin though.
 
I'd give Halverson another year before making the judgment call on him. His AHL stats are horrible, but his ECHL stats are good. If he can make the jump and improve his AHL numbers next season, I think he'll still have some consideration as a potential NHL backup. Idk about starter material, but a backup should be possible.
 
romba said:
I thought the team was only giving him a rest after the tournament? Has Shesty lost his starting job for no apparent reason? I mean I can think of one hopeful but extremely unrealistic reason which involves a back up position in the NHL....
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Koskinen has played 5 of the last 6 games.

Shestyorkin has better numbers, he's younger, he's on a long-term contract, Koskinen is not. It doesn't make much sense. The SKA coach said the other day that the goalie coach makes all the goalie decisions. Ra**** Davydov makes all the goaltending decisions.

Mac n Gs said:
Shesty has to be the best goalie prospect (not in the NHL) in hockey right? He's better than Samsonov and Koskinen, and then who else is there? Demko? Nedjelkovic? Hell, I'd take Huska over some of those guys.
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Samsonov, Sorokin, Shestyorkin, Hart, Demko, Parsons, Huska, Sandstrom, Husso, Gillies in no specific order. Shestyorkin is probably in the top five.
 
Pavel Buchnevich said:
Should've added the caveat, barring an overpayment. Trouba is an overpayment. Winnipeg has no need to trade Trouba for Shestyorkin though.
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I should have quoted a few posters - someone above mentioned they would turn down Trouba for Shesty. You just mentioned Shesty was untouchable. I was on my phone though so I went for the easy reply :)

Agreed that the Jets have little reason to ever offer that trade (although their goaltending is far from set in stone), but Shesty is not "untouchable" per se. But no one is going to make an offer for an unproven goaltender that makes it worth our while.

Goalies have terrible trade value. They always have, and likely always will. Montreal could put Price on the block tomorrow, and they would likely get crap offers for him compared to if Chicago put Kane on the market. Add in the fact he has only played a small number of games in the KHL, and the fact that even top rated goalie prospects are FAR from a sure thing, and there is almost zero chance we would get any sort of reasonable offer for him.
 
Shesty is playing today. Let in a goal from an absolute bomb of a shot on Riga's 10th shot of the game w/ about 5 minutes remaining. Not much he could have done.
 
FLYLine27 said:
Halverson is nowhere near the same level as Shesty.
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Amazing Kreiderman said:
It is a bit early to call him a bust, since he is still young. But Shestyorkin is the far superior goalie prospect at the moment
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We all know that, but the gap isn't very comparable at the moment. Halverson might take another 2 years to be really good at a level below what Shesty is dominating right now.

Like if Shesty's the top prospect, Halverson would eke into the top 10.
 
Riga is crap. I didn't watch this game, but I did see the last SKA-Riga game and you can tell why SKA is first and Riga is last. SKA is on par with ypur average NHL team. Riga is on par with your average AHL team, maybe a below average AHL team.

I wish he had started against a better team. No matter what he does against Riga, it tells me very little since I'm already pretty sure he can dominate the AHL, especially with a powerhouse in front of him.
 
Beacon said:
Riga is crap. I didn't watch this game, but I did see the last SKA-Riga game and you can tell why SKA is first and Riga is last. SKA is on par with ypur average NHL team. Riga is on par with your average AHL team, maybe a below average AHL team.

I wish he had started against a better team. No matter what he does against Riga, it tells me very little since I'm already pretty sure he can dominate the AHL, especially with a powerhouse in front of him.
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Riga lit up Cherepovets couple days ago. :(
 
shesty head and shoulders above any other G prospect in this system. heck, hes one of the best, if not the best, goalie prospects in the world right now. hes a bonafide future #1 guy.

huska is #2 and hes still a ways away but theres lots to like. hes a big dude who doesnt panic and is very composed and economical with his movements. kinda the anti-shesty. hes a technical guy who relies on positioning and letting pucks hit him.

the 6'3 slovak is a legit prospect.

halverson still has too many holes in his game. he can stick handle for sure, but the stopping the puck thing still has some room to develop. he plays too deep ( sound familiar ?) but lacks the ability to stop those pucks that hit him.

hell likely be passed by huska soon.
 
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offdacrossbar said:
shesty head and shoulders above any other G prospect in this system. heck, hes one of, if not the best, goalie prospects in the world right now. hes a bonafide future #1 guy.

huska is #2 and hes still a ways away but theres lots to like. hes a big dude who doesnt panic and is very composed and economical with his movements. kinda the anti-shesty. hes a technical guy who relies on positioning and letting pucks hit him.

the 6'3 slovak is a legit prospect.

halverson still has too many holes in his game. he can stick handle for sure, but the stopping the puck thing still has some room to develop. he plays too deep ( sound familiar ?) but lacks the ability to stop those pucks that hit him.

hell likely be passed by huska soon.
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Huska is the Slovakian goalie. Did you mean the other kid we recently drafted, Tyler Wall?
 
Mac n Gs said:
I was asking because you made one comment about Huska, and then said the 6'3 slovak is a legit prospect on another line.
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His formatting is always special to read. Don't worry.

He was talking about Huska in both cases. Nothing about Wall.
 
UMass-Lowell is a powerhouse that relies on defense and goaltending to win. UConn isn't as strong overall or defensively.
 
Pavel Buchnevich said:
Wall has better numbers than Huska in the NCAA. Not saying he's better, but I think he's also pretty good.
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NCAA goalie numbers are tough to evaluate, for reasons I've alluded to elsewhere.

System-based play is huge in the NCAA and there are some really efficient defensive teams who give up few to no high-percentage shots.

I've yet to see Wall play this year, something I hope to rectify soon. Gotta stop homer-ing on my streaming package.
 
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