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[Canucks LB]

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Also in a interview with EP40 and Friedman before the season, Petey basically confirmed he is not that close with Miller.

 

[Canucks LB]

The last team that traded JT Miller didn't regret it. Just sayin.

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If they thought he was going to be a 100 Point power forward, they would never have traded him.
Winning the cup has basically nothing to do with JT Miller, they would have just moved somebody else.

 

[geebster]

There was so much chatter and nonsense around the Miller v Horvat stuff and how Miller asked out etc that right now I am pretty numb to all of this stuff. Theres probably something there but I am not of the opinion a trade works as a solution. You definitely lose it, and no way you end with 2 top 6 centers after. You make it work.

Gets harder to do so with the media harping about it and fans losing their minds but the solution is you make it work. You don't have to get along to do good work with someone.

 

[Canucks LB]

There was so much chatter and nonsense around the Miller v Horvat stuff and how Miller asked out etc that right now I am pretty numb to all of this stuff. Theres probably something there but I am not of the opinion a trade works as a solution. You definitely lose it, and no way you end with 2 top 6 centers after. You make it work.

Gets harder to do so with the media harping about it and fans losing their minds but the solution is you make it work. You don't have to get along to do good work with someone.

Okay, so he has a attitude issue most likely.
But man, how does a player who goes out, balls out, every game, plays insanely hard, shows up, produces, in both regular and playoffs, and then Petey or who ever try to criticize him for being a hardass?
I feel JT Miller just demands hard work
I feel he just wants that same passion from his team, just like Rich tochett coaches.

 

[David71]

if quinn hughes sat with the coaching staff and rutherford/alvin it will be the most difficult choice for him to pick. him and petey basically played together since they were rookies. miller didnt come to the team until june 2019, trade" september 2019. but hes a good player just wears his heart on his sleeve. hates to lose. they gotta sort it out . this team has a 2 year window before qh bolts IMO frankly and us fans will have to endure another rebuild.

 

[VanJack]

It's really hard to trade one guy making $8m with term, and another guy earning $11.7m with even longer term. It's it's really, really hard.

And it's almost a given that the guys coming back won't be nearly as good as the one guy you're shipping out. It's like the Sabres trading Jack Eichel and Sam Reinhardt; or the Flames trading Matthew Tkachuk.

I mean look at where the Sabres and Flames are today--and where the Knights and Panthers are today.

The Canucks had the option of extending either Miller or Horvat....and chose Miller. And the best time to have traded Pettersson would have been last spring before he signed his monster deal with the Canucks. Rumor was that Carolina was calling with an offer of Necas, Kotkaniemi, Jarvis or some other package.

But the ship on trading either Miller or Pettersson has probably sailed.

 

[Raistlin]

It's really hard to trade one guy making $8m with term, and another guy earning $11.7m with even longer term. It's it's really, really hard.

And it's almost a given that the guys coming back won't be nearly as good as the one guy you're shipping out. It's like the Sabres trading Jack Eichel and Sam Reinhardt; or the Flames trading Matthew Tkachuk.

I mean look at where the Sabres and Flames are today--and where the Knights and Panthers are today.

The Canucks had the option of extending either Miller or Horvat....and chose Miller. And the best time to have traded Pettersson would have been last spring before he signed his monster deal with the Canucks. Rumor was that Carolina was calling with an offer of Necas, Kotkaniemi, Jarvis or some other package.

But the ship on trading either Miller or Pettersson has probably sailed.

Players don't stop being themselves after signing a fair deal. Miller is actually outperforming his deal. And now it seems everyone knows why they are slumping. They will attract bidding wars. One offer a rare all situations elite work rate, the other a similar package albeit a lower ceiling, but compliment that with a fire to win which GMs and coaches love. The return will be substantial, but it'll never be equivalent to the elite piece that Vancouver will trade away. Unless the two grow up and coexist, this will set their contention window back no matter how Allvin spins it.

 

[Curm]

It appears Miller may have also had issues in New York and Tampa, but Pettersson has been a bit of a diva and has had dramatic swings in play and production since arriving.

Miller's contract may age poorly because of his age, but Pettersson isn't worth $11.6 million right now and may never be.

Miller is older, it makes sense to move the older guy who will decline sooner, but if you trade Pettersson for a Byram/Cozens type of return, both players are younger than Pettersson, so the team gets younger overall as a result anyway.

I don't care who goes, just fix the D and also get a quality center in the deal.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

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Also in a interview with EP40 and Friedman before the season, Petey basically confirmed he is not that close with Miller.

If true this is some wild shit.

Would also explain why EP was so reluctant to resign.

It appears Miller may have also had issues in New York and Tampa, but Pettersson has been a bit of a diva and has had dramatic swings in play and production since arriving.

How is he a diva?

Miller's contract may age poorly because of his age, but Pettersson isn't worth $11.6 million right now and may never be.

Miller is older, it makes sense to move the older guy who will decline sooner, but if you trade Pettersson for a Byram/Cozens type of return, both players are younger than Pettersson, so the team gets younger overall as a result anyway.

I don't care who goes, just fix the D and also get a quality center in the deal.

 

[crowfish]

If they thought he was going to be a 100 Point power forward, they would never have traded him.
Winning the cup has basically nothing to do with JT Miller, they would have just moved somebody else.

JT Miller would have never become a 100-point player on Tampa because they wouldn't have handed him the keys to the city and let him start beefs with Stamkos and then Kucherov.

He has gotten the top wingers and the primary Hughes ice time allocation since he has been here. I don't buy that he magically went from 50-60pt talent to a 100pt talent overnight when we traded for him. We just give him all the opportunity in the world, and then Pettersson gets the worse icetime and worse wingers and takes the heat from the fanbase. No wonder he doesn't like Miller.

 

[VanJack]

It now seems apparent that this real or imagined rift between Miller and Pettersson is probably destined to continue for the rest of the year.

Remains to be seen whether or not the team can play through it. But if their slump continues into the New Year, then the controversy is hardly going to go away.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

JT Miller would have never become a 100-point player on Tampa because they wouldn't have handed him the keys to the city and let him start beefs with Stamkos and then Kucherov.

He has gotten the top wingers and the primary Hughes ice time allocation since he has been here. I don't buy that he magically went from 50-60pt talent to a 100pt talent overnight when we traded for him. We just give him all the opportunity in the world, and then Pettersson gets the worse icetime and worse wingers and takes the heat from the fanbase. No wonder he doesn't like Miller.

Especially the PP usage.

The PP would never ever run through Miller on a team with Kucherov.

 

[lawrence]

Miller is the obvious answer. But I refuse to believe this is actually happening. Even though it's the most likely scenario at this point ...

same here. Need more of a legit source at this point. But there seems to a nasty pattern with previous players having "problems with Jt Miller.
Brock Boeser, Bo horvat and now Eliass Pettersson, we can't keep trading away the other players if JT is the problem. Just thinking about what will happen if he has problems with Quinn Hughes, man I don't even want to think about that.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

same here. Need more of a legit source at this point. But there seems to a nasty pattern with previous players having "problems with Jt Miller.
Brock Boeser, Bo horvat and now Eliass Pettersson, we can't keep trading away the other players if JT is the problem. Just thinking about what will happen if he has problems with Quinn Hughes, man I don't even want to think about that.

I don't mind thinking about that. At least we'd have a clear answer who to trade, and it would be done and over with asap.

 

[Grumbler]

Trade both and tank.

 

[rypper]

Trade both and tank.

 

[Diablo2020]

This is actually a blessing and gives us two get out of jail free cards.

Jt Millers contract wont age well and we now have every reason and excuse to trade him while at somewhat peak value.

Elias Pettersson will not be worth the headache and the salary he commands and we now have every reason to trade him at somewhat peak value.

This is a team that iced Linus Karlsson, Phil Di Guiseppe, Nils Hoglander, Noah Juulsen, Derek Forbort, Tyler Myers and Vinny Desharnais last game. There is soooo much room for roster improvements.

Id more than happily trade both for decent packages and the team would be stronger top to bottom for it.

The team isnt scoring with Pettersson and Miller and the defense is atrocious. At least we can likely fix the defense with these transactions.

Miller for Braden Schneider one for one

Pettersson for Dylan Cozens and Bowen Byram


Hughes - Schneider
Byram - Hronek
Soucy - Willander

Now thats an actual puck moving defense that can still defend and kill penalties.

Then all the focus goes on finding new centers of which they'res way more options on the market than defensemen.

 

[rypper]

Easy peeasy, just find two 100 point centers out of thin air.

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

Some things will never change. It's a very frog and scorpion thing we have in Vancouver. It's entirely on us as fans. We just can't help ourselves. We all decry it, it's downright detrimental to the team's results. We can't look away. We love the drama. Not only do we love the drama, we feed on it. We crave it.

How many clicks do you think Patrick J bananaphone guy got out of this? How much exposure? It's Jim Rome broadcasting and it's childish, and tell them to do it more by giving them exposure. The flames are fanned with every click, every response. It's us encouraging the media. And we shirk our own shitty toxicity by saying "THEY ARE PAID MILLIONS!!!!!!"

Take ownership of our actions and let's be better for the hockey team. The proudest I've ever been of the fanbase was just 7 months ago when we chanted "Let's Go Petey". And we are a deplorable bunch.

 

[F A N]

East Palestine Ohio is a Pittsburgh suburb by the way. He's a Pittsburgh guy really. Columbus is quite far away, so it's not as if he'd be going home if people are assuming that. Col;umbus is further from East Palestine than Seattle is from Vancouver. Pittsburgh is home for JT.

Home is where one makes it and JT's offseason home is in Pittsburgh.

However, I don't know much about East Palenstine being a Pittsburgh suburb. I certainly wouldn't go by proximity to another state's city as a gauge. Pullman Washington for example is super close to Moscow, Idaho. Without getting into politics, let's just say they are quite different.

 

[RobertKron]

Home is where one makes it and JT's offseason home is in Pittsburgh.

However, I don't know much about East Palenstine being a Pittsburgh suburb. I certainly wouldn't go by proximity to another state's city as a gauge. Pullman Washington for example is super close to Moscow, Idaho. Without getting into politics, let's just say they are quite different.

Are you basing this on experience, or just on the idea that Washington is liberal and Idaho is conservative?

 

[F A N]

Are you basing this on experience, or just on the idea that Washington is liberal and Idaho is conservative?

Some of it is personal experience but I don't think it changes my point unless my example is wrong?

 

[PuckMunchkin]

Home is where one makes it and JT's offseason home is in Pittsburgh.

However, I don't know much about East Palenstine being a Pittsburgh suburb. I certainly wouldn't go by proximity to another state's city as a gauge. Pullman Washington for example is super close to Moscow, Idaho. Without getting into politics, let's just say they are quite different.

Why the hell are americans so lazy when naming cities?

Its either just straight copy paste or they slap a New in front of the city name and be done with it..

 

[RobertKron]

Some of it is personal experience but I don't think it changes my point unless my example is wrong?

I was trying to think of what was so different between Moscow, ID and Pullman, WA (FWIW, I haven't been through the area in a few years at least), and as far as I can tell from a quick search they both tend to vote similarly.

Also, in my experience, at least, Western PA and that part of Ohio are often almost indistinguishable from one another.

 

[F A N]

Also, in my experience, at least, Western PA and that part of Ohio are often almost indistinguishable from one another.

Have you lived there?