"IF"....

[Raistlin]

all that said, management had to pick between Horvat and Miller and picked Miller, they committed to him, it wont surprise me if they stayed the course either. although it would be a grave mistake in my mind. Farhan coming out to say EP needing to grow up could be management's orders to sow the seed to the public that EP is the problem. This is on Tocchet as much as its on EP and Miller. the coach is supposed to get the team to function cohesively, thats literally his job.

 

[Pennask]

all that said, management had to pick between Horvat and Miller and picked Miller, they committed to him, it wont surprise me if they stayed the course either. although it would be a grave mistake in my mind. Farhan coming out to say EP needing to grow up could be management's orders to sow the seed to the public that EP is the problem. This is on Tocchet as much as its on EP and Miller. the coach is supposed to get the team to function cohesively, thats literally his job.

I think it's a hard sell that Miller needs 10 games off because of his problem with Petey and it's Petey that needs to grow up.

I'm making a prediction. By Jan 15th it will be public that "Miller wants a trade for family reasons".

 

[Raistlin]

I think it's a hard sell that Miller needs 10 games off because of his problem with Petey and it's Petey that needs to grow up.

I'm making a prediction. By Jan 15th it will be public that "Miller wants a trade for family reasons".

i can see a trade to Ohio easily. Kent Johnson and Provorov the center pieces coming back. maybe Sillinger too.

 

[Jerry the great]

i can see a trade to Ohio easily. Kent Johnson and Provorov the center pieces coming back. maybe Sillinger too.

why Ohio?

 

[Raistlin]

previous poster said a trade request for family reasons. Jimmothy Timothy is from East Palestine, Ohio. That team also sorely misses Jenner and needs leaders.

 

[ProviesGhost]

These are discussions for losing teams. It sucks we're having them again. Based on their play right now, I'd trade both of them LOL.

 

[sandwichbird2023]

I still think this rumor of a rift between the two is way over played. There is an obvious issue with Miller. That cannot be denied. He just took 10 games off. Are people trying to play that as an issue between the two? If Miller's issue with Petey is so bad that he just takes a 10 game break from him, he is a fkn problem.... but I think Miller's problem is personal to be honest.

With that said, they need to get Miller the f*** away from the team until he gets his head on straight, or is traded. The team played it's best run of hockey this season precisely during the time period that Miller was absent. EP was on fire, Debrusk was on fire, Hughes was on fire, Garland was on fire.... now since Miller's return, it's a mess. He's a major distraction... and his special treatment he gets from teammates and staff needs to be away from the ice.

I'm not impressed with how this has ben handled.

Could be due to the soft schedule during that period. They had no answer for the only good team they played during that period (Tampa).

 

[Pennask]

Could be due to the soft schedule during that period. They had no answer for the only good team they played during that period (Tampa).

Perhaps but I feel that is highly unlikely considering just how much night and day the results were.

 

[F A N]

previous poster said a trade request for family reasons. Jimmothy Timothy is from East Palestine, Ohio. That team also sorely misses Jenner and needs leaders.

JT was only born in Ohio. He grew up around the Pittsburgh area.

 

[F A N]

I think it's a hard sell that Miller needs 10 games off because of his problem with Petey and it's Petey that needs to grow up.

We're all speculating here but there's always going to be different personalities in the locker room. The key is that our players need to be professional. People brought up Kobe and Shaq well there was at least one star realizing that he needs to work with the other in order to win. It's not like Jordan, Pippen, and Rodman were great friends. Regardless that's basketball.

There's going to be cliques. We know Bieksa, Kes, and Burrows were close friends. Were these three close with the Sedins? There's no evidence of that.

If I have to guess and speculate, Miller is more likely to clash with other players. We've seen him clash with Schenn and there's the Delia accident. Does that mean Miller is a locker room cancer? Not necessarily. Maybe he really is just an intense guy who is there to work and not necessarily to make friends. Cup winners always have one guy in the locker room who is more of an emotional leader.

Petey doesn't need to lead in the locker room. He needs to lead on the ice. Hughes is the captain. It's part of his job to mediate the personalities in the locker room.

If there is an issue in the locker room then the team needs to come up with solutions. if Miller's abrasiveness is a bit too abrasive he needs to tone it down. If Petey is letting outside forces affect his play then he needs to learn to not let things get to him. So saying Petey needs to grow up is similar to telling someone they need to toughen up even if they mean "mentally."

The reality is that is hockey locker rooms isn't this inclusive safe space. The hazing might be gone and rookies aren't carrying everyone's bags anymore but it's still a room full of smelly testosterone. He's not going to get much support from Tocchet, Foote, and Rutherford either.

I'm not saying one is wrong as I don't know the details. A lot of it is perspective and upbringing similar to politics. Like if you ask Russian hockey players that grew up in the Soviet era about NHL coaches with the reputation of being a meanie they often don't have anything bad to say. Verbal abuse is something they just shrug off.

 

[Pennask]

We're all speculating here but there's always going to be different personalities in the locker room. The key is that our players need to be professional. People brought up Kobe and Shaq well there was at least one star realizing that he needs to work with the other in order to win. It's not like Jordan, Pippen, and Rodman were great friends. Regardless that's basketball.

There's going to be cliques. We know Bieksa, Kes, and Burrows were close friends. Were these three close with the Sedins? There's no evidence of that.

If I have to guess and speculate, Miller is more likely to clash with other players. We've seen him clash with Schenn and there's the Delia accident. Does that mean Miller is a locker room cancer? Not necessarily. Maybe he really is just an intense guy who is there to work and not necessarily to make friends. Cup winners always have one guy in the locker room who is more of an emotional leader.

Petey doesn't need to lead in the locker room. He needs to lead on the ice. Hughes is the captain. It's part of his job to mediate the personalities in the locker room.

If there is an issue in the locker room then the team needs to come up with solutions. if Miller's abrasiveness is a bit too abrasive he needs to tone it down. If Petey is letting outside forces affect his play then he needs to learn to not let things get to him. So saying Petey needs to grow up is similar to telling someone they need to toughen up even if they mean "mentally."

The reality is that is hockey locker rooms isn't this inclusive safe space. The hazing might be gone and rookies aren't carrying everyone's bags anymore but it's still a room full of smelly testosterone. He's not going to get much support from Tocchet, Foote, and Rutherford either.

I'm not saying one is wrong as I don't know the details. A lot of it is perspective and upbringing similar to politics. Like if you ask Russian hockey players that grew up in the Soviet era about NHL coaches with the reputation of being a meanie they often don't have anything bad to say. Verbal abuse is something they just shrug off.

When Miller was traded to Van, there were people in the eastern media posing the question " Is Miller a locker room cancer". Clearly, his controversial history doesn't start here in Van.

So far the speculation around him not getting along involves Horvat, Boeser(in the past) and Petey. If there is any truth to that, looks like he just can't get along with team mates.

Again, I think the Miller/Petey rift is overplayed,,, but if one were to speculate.... Miller has the rep to match the speculation going back to his NY and Tampa days.