"IF"....

[Raistlin]

all that said, management had to pick between Horvat and Miller and picked Miller, they committed to him, it wont surprise me if they stayed the course either. although it would be a grave mistake in my mind. Farhan coming out to say EP needing to grow up could be management's orders to sow the seed to the public that EP is the problem. This is on Tocchet as much as its on EP and Miller. the coach is supposed to get the team to function cohesively, thats literally his job.

 

[Pennask]

all that said, management had to pick between Horvat and Miller and picked Miller, they committed to him, it wont surprise me if they stayed the course either. although it would be a grave mistake in my mind. Farhan coming out to say EP needing to grow up could be management's orders to sow the seed to the public that EP is the problem. This is on Tocchet as much as its on EP and Miller. the coach is supposed to get the team to function cohesively, thats literally his job.

I think it's a hard sell that Miller needs 10 games off because of his problem with Petey and it's Petey that needs to grow up.

I'm making a prediction. By Jan 15th it will be public that "Miller wants a trade for family reasons".

 

[Raistlin]

I think it's a hard sell that Miller needs 10 games off because of his problem with Petey and it's Petey that needs to grow up.

I'm making a prediction. By Jan 15th it will be public that "Miller wants a trade for family reasons".

i can see a trade to Ohio easily. Kent Johnson and Provorov the center pieces coming back. maybe Sillinger too.

 

[Jerry the great]

i can see a trade to Ohio easily. Kent Johnson and Provorov the center pieces coming back. maybe Sillinger too.

why Ohio?

 

[Raistlin]

previous poster said a trade request for family reasons. Jimmothy Timothy is from East Palestine, Ohio. That team also sorely misses Jenner and needs leaders.

 

[ProviesGhost]

These are discussions for losing teams. It sucks we're having them again. Based on their play right now, I'd trade both of them LOL.

 

[sandwichbird2023]

I still think this rumor of a rift between the two is way over played. There is an obvious issue with Miller. That cannot be denied. He just took 10 games off. Are people trying to play that as an issue between the two? If Miller's issue with Petey is so bad that he just takes a 10 game break from him, he is a fkn problem.... but I think Miller's problem is personal to be honest.

With that said, they need to get Miller the f*** away from the team until he gets his head on straight, or is traded. The team played it's best run of hockey this season precisely during the time period that Miller was absent. EP was on fire, Debrusk was on fire, Hughes was on fire, Garland was on fire.... now since Miller's return, it's a mess. He's a major distraction... and his special treatment he gets from teammates and staff needs to be away from the ice.

I'm not impressed with how this has ben handled.

Could be due to the soft schedule during that period. They had no answer for the only good team they played during that period (Tampa).

 

[Pennask]

Could be due to the soft schedule during that period. They had no answer for the only good team they played during that period (Tampa).

Perhaps but I feel that is highly unlikely considering just how much night and day the results were.

 

[F A N]

previous poster said a trade request for family reasons. Jimmothy Timothy is from East Palestine, Ohio. That team also sorely misses Jenner and needs leaders.

JT was only born in Ohio. He grew up around the Pittsburgh area.

 

[F A N]

I think it's a hard sell that Miller needs 10 games off because of his problem with Petey and it's Petey that needs to grow up.

We're all speculating here but there's always going to be different personalities in the locker room. The key is that our players need to be professional. People brought up Kobe and Shaq well there was at least one star realizing that he needs to work with the other in order to win. It's not like Jordan, Pippen, and Rodman were great friends. Regardless that's basketball.

There's going to be cliques. We know Bieksa, Kes, and Burrows were close friends. Were these three close with the Sedins? There's no evidence of that.

If I have to guess and speculate, Miller is more likely to clash with other players. We've seen him clash with Schenn and there's the Delia accident. Does that mean Miller is a locker room cancer? Not necessarily. Maybe he really is just an intense guy who is there to work and not necessarily to make friends. Cup winners always have one guy in the locker room who is more of an emotional leader.

Petey doesn't need to lead in the locker room. He needs to lead on the ice. Hughes is the captain. It's part of his job to mediate the personalities in the locker room.

If there is an issue in the locker room then the team needs to come up with solutions. if Miller's abrasiveness is a bit too abrasive he needs to tone it down. If Petey is letting outside forces affect his play then he needs to learn to not let things get to him. So saying Petey needs to grow up is similar to telling someone they need to toughen up even if they mean "mentally."

The reality is that is hockey locker rooms isn't this inclusive safe space. The hazing might be gone and rookies aren't carrying everyone's bags anymore but it's still a room full of smelly testosterone. He's not going to get much support from Tocchet, Foote, and Rutherford either.

I'm not saying one is wrong as I don't know the details. A lot of it is perspective and upbringing similar to politics. Like if you ask Russian hockey players that grew up in the Soviet era about NHL coaches with the reputation of being a meanie they often don't have anything bad to say. Verbal abuse is something they just shrug off.

 

[Pennask]

We're all speculating here but there's always going to be different personalities in the locker room. The key is that our players need to be professional. People brought up Kobe and Shaq well there was at least one star realizing that he needs to work with the other in order to win. It's not like Jordan, Pippen, and Rodman were great friends. Regardless that's basketball.

There's going to be cliques. We know Bieksa, Kes, and Burrows were close friends. Were these three close with the Sedins? There's no evidence of that.

If I have to guess and speculate, Miller is more likely to clash with other players. We've seen him clash with Schenn and there's the Delia accident. Does that mean Miller is a locker room cancer? Not necessarily. Maybe he really is just an intense guy who is there to work and not necessarily to make friends. Cup winners always have one guy in the locker room who is more of an emotional leader.

Petey doesn't need to lead in the locker room. He needs to lead on the ice. Hughes is the captain. It's part of his job to mediate the personalities in the locker room.

If there is an issue in the locker room then the team needs to come up with solutions. if Miller's abrasiveness is a bit too abrasive he needs to tone it down. If Petey is letting outside forces affect his play then he needs to learn to not let things get to him. So saying Petey needs to grow up is similar to telling someone they need to toughen up even if they mean "mentally."

The reality is that is hockey locker rooms isn't this inclusive safe space. The hazing might be gone and rookies aren't carrying everyone's bags anymore but it's still a room full of smelly testosterone. He's not going to get much support from Tocchet, Foote, and Rutherford either.

I'm not saying one is wrong as I don't know the details. A lot of it is perspective and upbringing similar to politics. Like if you ask Russian hockey players that grew up in the Soviet era about NHL coaches with the reputation of being a meanie they often don't have anything bad to say. Verbal abuse is something they just shrug off.

When Miller was traded to Van, there were people in the eastern media posing the question " Is Miller a locker room cancer". Clearly, his controversial history doesn't start here in Van.

So far the speculation around him not getting along involves Horvat, Boeser(in the past) and Petey. If there is any truth to that, looks like he just can't get along with team mates.

Again, I think the Miller/Petey rift is overplayed,,, but if one were to speculate.... Miller has the rep to match the speculation going back to his NY and Tampa days.

 

[bandwagonesque]

I think it's a hard sell that Miller needs 10 games off because of his problem with Petey and it's Petey that needs to grow up.

I'm making a prediction. By Jan 15th it will be public that "Miller wants a trade for family reasons".

My conclusion is that if Miller needed ten games off, it wasn't just Pettersson who was done with him.

 

[F A N]

When Miller was traded to Van, there were people in the eastern media posing the question " Is Miller a locker room cancer". Clearly, his controversial history doesn't start here in Van.

That I don't know. Credible sources do suggest that the Rangers tried to re-acquire Miller though.

So far the speculation around him not getting along involves Horvat, Boeser(in the past) and Petey. If there is any truth to that, looks like he just can't get along with team mates.

Again, I think the Miller/Petey rift is overplayed,,, but if one were to speculate.... Miller has the rep to match the speculation going back to his NY and Tampa days.

And that's the thing. Getting into an altercation is not the same as not getting along. It's like any work place. It's not necessary to be friends with everyone but there can't be animosity that affects work. To me, this isn't rocket science. If a player truly is a problem that is affecting the locker room and on ice performance then you remove that problem.

I expect Tocchet and Hughes to step up and help solve the problem if there's a locker room issue.

 

[Pennask]

That I don't know. Credible sources do suggest that the Rangers tried to re-acquire Miller though.



And that's the thing. Getting into an altercation is not the same as not getting along. It's like any work place. It's not necessary to be friends with everyone but there can't be animosity that affects work. To me, this isn't rocket science. If a player truly is a problem that is affecting the locker room and on ice performance then you remove that problem.

I expect Tocchet and Hughes to step up and help solve the problem if there's a locker room issue.

Different players, different staff... different needs. Who knows. Just saying, controversy is more the norm than the exception with Miller.

 

[SillyRabbit]

I'm surprised people think that Pettersson can return to form.

He's played the last 82 games at a 62 point pace.

Those 82 games are spread over 10 months, two different seasons and two different playoff series.

I'm finding it difficult to believe he can be a top 10 scorer again.

I'd favor keeping him if I saw him returning to form.

There's a good chance that both have peaked offensively, but I can still see Miller being a PPG guy for 3.6 million less per season.

I'd trade Pettersson to a team that believes that with a change of scenery he's going to be a top 10 scorer again and ask for a return that is commensurate with that.

 

[Tact]

It’s in everyone’s best interest that they both are able to get along and work together as a team as they’re both unique and their different styles compliment the teams 1-2 punch perfectly.

Having said that, if they’re both unwilling to compromise and stop acting like children then I wouldn’t be picking sides or who to keep - I would trade them both

 

[AlainVigneaultsGum]

 

[LuckyDay]

After Miller's break, he's been the guy to lead the charge. He clearly did not like the loss on his first game back, and stuck up for Hughy when he was being harassed when the game was almost over.
We miss his intensity.

Last two losses shouldn't lead to throwing Canuck players under the bus. We do that after we trade them (with the exception of Bure who has never been able to do anything wrong). The games were on the road and the second game was a back to back against a better team who's goalie was better against some of the crazy chances we got.

 

[JimmyJiveJones]

Trading Miller 100%. I love this guy, love what he brings to the table but if hes gonna constantly clash with all the top players (Bo, Brock and Petey) on the team then he needs to go. I dont know about recently but Hughes and Petey have always been close friends aswell which only helps Peteys case to stay. But which team can/willing to make a big splash to acquire Miller? First team that comes to mind for me is the Rangers. The fans think Drury is a terrible GM so im hoping we can fleece them. a Schneider + Trochek or Zibanejad(retained) cause we should know that were downgrading at center trading Miller.

 

[archangel2]

I will say trade whomever you can get the most for.

 

[iFan]

Trade both

 

[crowfish]

The last team that traded JT Miller didn't regret it. Just sayin.

 

[Canucks LB]

Good thread, Nice discussion going on.

Here is my thought process..
The Canucks basically have a 3 year window, which makes me lean towards trading EP40 and Keeping Miller.
That being said, my Brain basically says you gotta keep the younger player just for the main fact he is younger and has lots of time to figure it out.
Losing Miller would be tough tho, The guy is a monster for us, he was unreal in the playoffs last year, and in the Regular Season for 3 years he has produced even more than EP40.
It's an extremely difficult choice, but I also think that Miller has a full NTC while EP40 can be moved this season.
Miller also makes less, which could be used elsewhere in the lineup.
Right now, I say trade Miller and make sure you get a Star young C in a trade for EP40

 

[Megaterio Llamas]

previous poster said a trade request for family reasons. Jimmothy Timothy is from East Palestine, Ohio. That team also sorely misses Jenner and needs leaders.

East Palestine Ohio is a Pittsburgh suburb by the way. He's a Pittsburgh guy really. Columbus is quite far away, so it's not as if he'd be going home if people are assuming that. Col;umbus is further from East Palestine than Seattle is from Vancouver. Pittsburgh is home for JT.