If you were trading one player on this team, who would it be?

[Maple Leaf]

I would rather have Kadri than JT

 

[Christ]

I would rather have Kadri than JT

While I love Kadri's game for the most part, his nearly superhuman ability to get himself suspended when needed the most negates any desire I have to keep him on the roster. I miss Tucker, he played on the edge but did so without killing his team in the playoffs through needless suspensions.

 

[ITM]

Nylander - will break my heart when he leaves, but his contract + production/performances right now mean he's probably the 1 piece that nets you the biggest return.

Repeatedly starting over is going to end in the same cycle of short rebuild, optimism and misguided opportunism...rinse and repeat. We really need to retain players that will model the correct example. Nylander is everything good about being a Maple Leaf in this present culture. At some point, the object has to be building that positive culture for whatever iteration finally yields a contender. If Nylander is part of it, all the better. But the long term benefit of The Toronto Maple Leafs has to be the first principal of altruism pursued. Not the notion that Nylander's a great guy and "deserves" a Cup elsewhere. If he's 38 and tired of driving the Maple Leaf bus, sure. But he's paid multiple millions for certain entailments. Call me old-fashioned, but can we reintroduce the notion of integrity and loyalty back into conversations about the kind of club we want with the right people who understand those concepts?

You know, if we did, I gotta feeling, self-sacrifice on the ice would translate a heck of a lot more because commitment commensurate with integrity was made.

If we're repeatedly a weigh-station measured in five year cycles, as a franchise, we're dead. And the idea that the change is going to happen without retaining players like Nylander -- who we're unlikely to replace -- seems self-defeating. Then again, this is Toronto.

 

[ottomaddox]

Kerfoot

 

[Bluebear]

If you trade JT then to me it's betting that he gets substantially worse. It will be hard to find a second line centre that makes the team better this season and probably next, so it is just a cap move. I'd rather be paying too much for a second line centre like JT in the playoffs and make cap room by moving Marner who has no shot and no physical aspect to his game. Also harder to trade JT for reasons people brought up and probably get a better return for marner.

 

[Tak7]

Repeatedly starting over is going to end in the same cycle of short rebuild, optimism and misguided opportunism...rinse and repeat. We really need to retain players that will model the correct example. Nylander is everything good about being a Maple Leaf in this present culture. At some point, the object has to be building that positive culture for whatever iteration finally yields a contender. If Nylander is part of it, all the better. But the long term benefit of The Toronto Maple Leafs has to be the first principal of altruism pursued. Not the notion that Nylander's a great guy and "deserves" a Cup elsewhere. If he's 38 and tired of driving the Maple Leaf bus, sure. But he's paid multiple millions for certain entailments. Call me old-fashioned, but can we reintroduce the notion of integrity and loyalty back into conversations about the kind of club we want with the right people who understand those concepts?

You know, if we did, I gotta feeling, self-sacrifice on the ice would translate a heck of a lot more because commitment commensurate with integrity was made.

If we're repeatedly a weigh-station measured in five year cycles, as a franchise, we're dead. And the idea that the change is going to happen without retaining players like Nylander -- who we're unlikely to replace -- seems self-defeating. Then again, this is Toronto.

It's only a "restart" if you move Nylander for future assets.

If you, for example, move him for a package that includes a Dman with term & a depth forward for example, its a retool etc.

 

[Marmoset]

For me, I’d first ask Tavares to waive his no trade and shop him.

I think he’s going to slow down even more in the coming years and he makes big money. I’d move him for anybody decent i could get, assuming he would waive.

If not, IMO, it’s gotta be Marner. Nylander is better when the games matter and he’s significantly cheaper. I’d keep marner if he was on a Nylander contract but he is not.

I wonder if a team like Arizona would take on marner then trade him back with 4-5 mil retained for picks. Could be something to consider.

I think this is the consensus. Most of us would like to move Tavares but realize that is unlikely to be possible, making Marner the logical choice.

I would have seriously explored moving Rielly this summer. However. I thought he would sign for a higher AAV when I had that opinion. I still think we will hate the contract in the back half much as we do for Tavares.

 

[34]

Tavares for me, but no way they ask him to waive.

Marner is a close second. He should be paid less than Nylander. For all those who criticize Willy and that he was overpaid…lol. He is on a sweetheart of a contract! Likely the best on the Leafs roster.

 

[forecheck]

Marner - Not worth his contract - can add 2 very good players for his Salary .

 

[frizzer1]

Marner still has the ability to put up 100 points per year..........and if he can withstand the pressure, he might very well produce in the playoffs too.
Tavares has no such upside, only a downside.
I doubt that anyone would take his contract but if they would, I would let him go, and use the 11 million to get 2 to 3 good players.
But of course, he won't waive.

 

[leafsfan5]

Theoretically? Tavares is the obvious choice

In reality he won't be gone so we'll end up dealing Marner. And we will 100% lose the Marner trade (though it's necessary and may allow us to become a better team overall)

 

[Ashdown2]

1. kerfoot ..
2. engvall
3. holl and muzzin (hes broken, might as well trade him now while he has value)

 

[The Best Leafs Ever]

Marners AINEC

 

[Stephen]

I'm not a big Marner guy, but the first guy I'd trade is John Tavares. Sit him down for a business meeting and just walk him through why we'd like to end the business relationship. Yeah, he's a good person with a great homecoming story, but his hockey impact is not $11 million on his best day. For a leader, we seem to be a team with leadership issues. And he's not an entertaining player to watch from a pure ticket sales POV. Free up that cap money, re-invest that money and reset the timeline back to the remaining Big 3.

Marner seems to have earned a bit of a wimpy reputation for a lack of a better descriptor, but if you put him in a sidekick position and kind of separate his own challenges from the team's personality, I think you can still squeeze a crap ton of offense out of him and get decent mileage out of his cap.

 

[HamiltonNHL]

Dubas

 

[EK392000]

For me, I’d first ask Tavares to waive his no trade and shop him.

I think he’s going to slow down even more in the coming years and he makes big money. I’d move him for anybody decent i could get, assuming he would waive.

If not, IMO, it’s gotta be Marner. Nylander is better when the games matter and he’s significantly cheaper. I’d keep marner if he was on a Nylander contract but he is not.

I wonder if a team like Arizona would take on marner then trade him back with 4-5 mil retained for picks. Could be something to consider.

In the case Tavares does decide to waive, he controls where he goes. Other GMs will know and exploit that.

 

[ULF_55]

Whichever player makes the team better for the next 5 years.

I'd trade Matthews for the right return.

Just win baby!

 

[HamiltonNHL]

These lame hypotheticals aren’t useful.

 

[barilko05]

While I love Kadri's game for the most part, his nearly superhuman ability to get himself suspended when needed the most negates any desire I have to keep him on the roster. I miss Tucker, he played on the edge but did so without killing his team in the playoffs through needless suspensions.

Tucker played in totally different era. His edge then would be way over the line today. Same reason Scott Stevens would not be in the HOF because half his career would have been spent on suspension. Apples and oranges.

 

[HarryLime]

i'd take marner to california in a rickshaw if that's what it took

 

[TheScandal89]

I would rather have Kadri than JT

We could have kept both and moved one to LW. When we got JT we got a premium asset for free, but then we traded Kadri for basically nothing and turned that extra asset into nothing.

Bunting - Matthews - Nylander
Tavares - Kadri - Marner

Asset management has been very poorly handled by Dubas & co.

 

[colchar]

Sometimes the obvious answer is the correct answer, it’s Mitch marner AINEC

Yep. As much as I loved the kid and had huge hopes for him, it is time for him to go.

 

[justloveleafs]

I have never said anything about the Kadri trade, because, I wanted to be positive.. But DUMB ASS, has let the two most courageous guys this franchise has had, in his short time here..

Zach Hyman, lol, how do you let that guy walk.. U just don't.... I have to say, I did get swept into the fire Babcock crew.. YA, I joined them..

Ask yourself would Zach Hyman even be playing hockey, if it weren't for Mike Babcock....I don't think so...

Would Kyle or Keefe have defended a guy like hyman...

HECK would any of us do what Babcock did for this guy....

And what else did dumb ass do for us, he traded my favourite leaf of all time... Nazem kadri...

Here is fohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xE-8EB_1zXw
r sure, the most intospective look into a Toronto Maple leafs players life

 

[justloveleafs]

I miss Babcock....I suspect a lot of us do.... He made Zach Hyman what he is, imo, and he made Kadri become a man...

Foof, looks like married well, and look who Nazem invited to the wedding...

 

[Leafshater67]

Marner is young and fast with potential. Tavares makes the same money and is north of 30 with term.