MadLuke
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That feel as good has the 2021 short season in many ways even better in some even if say the separation with number 5 -10 (59%-69% in 2021, 44%-54%) now
Regular volume of games being one obvious difference, regular game samples, but also RNH scoring 103 pts and showing up not so far from Kucherov have some Lemieux-Gretzky to it, when they could take high talent that would not have been necessarily a ppg player and push them at the top.
Also the Oilers at 4.00 goals per games when the closest top other teams are a 3.6 in 2021 the teams itself was not special offensively.
In some other ways (like even strength scoring) it does not look as impressive.
McDavid is #30 with Garland-Skinner in pts by 60 minutes at 5/5, he was #1 in 2021 with a significant separation.
Evp per games
2023:
2021:
I think it is a good reminder when talking about Lemieux, McDavid superior offence from the rest of the league with a good separation being from the powerplay this year does not feel particularly weak.
It would be one thing if it was coming from the powerplay on a team that the powerplay is not particularly better, but the oilers 32.5% is one of the best ever and completely alone in the nhl this year, i.e. McDavid-Drai added offense on the powerplay are net goals, a bit like 1996 Lemieux Pens when that teams was alone on its own in that category.
With all that said, despite a PDO at 1.0, over 80 games, McDavid teams with him on the ice outscored the opposition by just 13 goals at 5v5, +20 at even strength.
Matthews doubled the opposition in goals, +37, Tkachuk-Pastrnak-MacKinnon-Crosby, etc... had better result in that regard, the most common 4 skaters with him on the ice are Hyman, Nurse, Ceci, Draisaitl, that a 12.5+8.5+5.5+9.25+3.25, 39 millions of cap space unit, with 2 harts-art Ross winner that scored 275 pts this year and with that you outscore the opposition by one goal every 6 games, something does not feel 100% right, but I suspect in the playoff they will elevate again.
McDavid already before this year had put his name in the stone, and then he does that on top of it...
Regular volume of games being one obvious difference, regular game samples, but also RNH scoring 103 pts and showing up not so far from Kucherov have some Lemieux-Gretzky to it, when they could take high talent that would not have been necessarily a ppg player and push them at the top.
Also the Oilers at 4.00 goals per games when the closest top other teams are a 3.6 in 2021 the teams itself was not special offensively.
In some other ways (like even strength scoring) it does not look as impressive.
McDavid is #30 with Garland-Skinner in pts by 60 minutes at 5/5, he was #1 in 2021 with a significant separation.
Evp per games
2023:
| Nathan MacKinnon | 1.09 |
| Connor McDavid | 0.94 |
| Erik Karlsson | 0.92 |
| Matthew Tkachuk | 0.92 |
| David Pastrnak | 0.89 |
| Elias Pettersson | 0.86 |
| Jack Hughes | 0.86 |
| Mikko Rantanen | 0.83 |
| Sidney Crosby | 0.83 |
| Jason Robertson | 0.82 |
2021:
| Connor McDavid | 1.21 |
| Auston Matthews | 1.02 |
| Artemi Panarin | 0.95 |
| Mitchell Marner | 0.93 |
| Leon Draisaitl | 0.91 |
| Nathan MacKinnon | 0.83 |
| Brad Marchand | 0.83 |
| Mark Scheifele | 0.82 |
| Max Pacioretty | 0.81 |
| Mikko Rantanen | 0.81 |
I think it is a good reminder when talking about Lemieux, McDavid superior offence from the rest of the league with a good separation being from the powerplay this year does not feel particularly weak.
It would be one thing if it was coming from the powerplay on a team that the powerplay is not particularly better, but the oilers 32.5% is one of the best ever and completely alone in the nhl this year, i.e. McDavid-Drai added offense on the powerplay are net goals, a bit like 1996 Lemieux Pens when that teams was alone on its own in that category.
With all that said, despite a PDO at 1.0, over 80 games, McDavid teams with him on the ice outscored the opposition by just 13 goals at 5v5, +20 at even strength.
Matthews doubled the opposition in goals, +37, Tkachuk-Pastrnak-MacKinnon-Crosby, etc... had better result in that regard, the most common 4 skaters with him on the ice are Hyman, Nurse, Ceci, Draisaitl, that a 12.5+8.5+5.5+9.25+3.25, 39 millions of cap space unit, with 2 harts-art Ross winner that scored 275 pts this year and with that you outscore the opposition by one goal every 6 games, something does not feel 100% right, but I suspect in the playoff they will elevate again.
McDavid already before this year had put his name in the stone, and then he does that on top of it...
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. Mario Lemieux, after 3 years of retirement, no training, post cancer treatment, and with loads of injuries put up 76 in 43 in 2000-01 at age 35 and 91 in 67 in 2002-03 at age 37. If he can do that while clearly a shell of his former self then there's no excuse for in their prime elite forwards to not score 100 points. They just sucked too much. Crosby/Ovechkin/Malkin era is obviously more talented than the DPE but their competition is significantly weaker than the guys McDavid is competing with too. A healthy Crosby unironically lost a scoring race to Jamie Benn and John Tavares lmfao. Guys like Draisaitl/MacKinnon/Kucherov are clearing 100 points in the DPE with ease and collecting trophy after trophy for shits and giggles and probably collecting their fair share of hardware in the late 2000s/early 2010s as well, seeing as guys like the Sedins/Kane and *snicker* Jamie Benn were having their way with Crosby and co some of these years.
